Inner sleeves- paper, polyethylene, rice paper?

chas_kit

G45 Legend
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Hudson Valley, NY
Someone I know is having a crisis from PVC inner sleeves leaving oily marks on 45s. Can that be cleaned off with a VPI?

What's best for inner sleeves for 45s? Paper is safe enough. Polyethylene? Rice paper?
 
PVC causes a chemical reaction in the vinyl -- it can't be cleaned off. If you have any record covers in those heavyweight crimped plastic sleeves (like you commonly see on picture discs) throw the sleeves out immediately. They can react with the vinyl right through a paper or cardboard cover.

I much prefer paper sleeves to any sort of plastic. I have the fancy Mobile Fidelty rice paper ones on a few high-end LPs, but they are expensive and not worth the extra cost in my opinion.
 
I always heard that paper sleeves scratched the f..k out of the record? Any thoughts on this?

They can cause scuffmarks, some paper sleeves are of a stiffer paper quality than others. But you'd be hard pressed to cause actual scratches that produces clicks.

I am at a crossroads of what to do. The PVC effect freaks me out, I've tossed a shitload of sleeves now. Some were probably ok but since I do not know which batch causes what all must go. Replaced with polyethylen, need something to protect the labels. But unsure if all poly is good too. I've had some hazing on a select number of records. Must say it happened rather fast. Some discs bought mid-2000s had already started to haze. I have not even checked them all , depresses the hell out of me.

Should have just stuck to the original brown paper sleeves!
 
Many of my earlier aquisitions have heavy pvc induced fogging. Apart from ruining the appearance, does anyone know if it affects the sound?
 
Another thing to watch out for, you ultra hi-end types who use the VPI machine:

It seems that a lot of people like to use a cork platter mat on their VPI unit. I noticed that after loaning my 45s to Ned for dubbing to disc, I found a mystery stain on some of the 45s, a mottled impression, like streaks in the wax. How could that be, since the 45 was professionally cleaned? Why would there now be marks in the record - usually found at the inner edge in my case.

After trying to find an answer (was it the cleaning solution itself?), I did read a complaint on line about the cork mat getting too hot when using the VPI machine constantly. Evidently it does not allow the heat to vent away from the platter - it traps it, thus causing the mat to heat up. Evidently, the impression from the cork mat 'burns' into the wax. And no amount cleaning will remove it. It hasn't affected the sound quality, thankfully.

Just wanted to point that out, and offer the notion that sometimes going too 'anal' with the cleaning methods can cause unwanted / undesired results.

I still clean the old fashioned way - distilled warm water, a very tiny amount of dishwasher liquid soap, and a dual dry on a lint free mat and towel. I'm sure you can hear a difference between the manual method and the VPI if you have a $20K sound set up to playback the results. But for me, a man of mediocre means, I hear no difference.

I also bought a few 45s from a guy in Europe that auctioned off his garage 45 collection...I think it was about 10 years ago, i recall the auction closed on New Years Day or Eve. anyway, when the 45s arrived, they were clean, but I noticed some sort of substance in the trail-off area of the groove, like a white-ish color. I realized that this guy must have used the glue method of cleaning- he wasn't able to get the entire disc clean or was lazy near the label edge. Jeez. Between this crap, and guys who sell 45s that have been cleaning with alcohol/ glass cleaner and buffed with shoe polish, you really wish ebay sellers and kno-nuthin record pimps would just leave these discs dirty / uncleaned.
 
When I use my VPI, I always put a crappy old LP underneath to cover the mat so the record beingcleaned never touches it.
Also, to preserve the machine, I never use it constantly. I always take breaks to allow the morot to cool. Besides, it gets tiring standing there cleaning one side after another; I need a break, too.
 
I've been using a VPI machine for years and some of my cleaning sessions last a lot longer than my back does. I've never experienced the cork-staining on any of my records. I usually just clean 45s so perhaps the Lp's, with their extra weight, over tax the machine more quickly ? Also find the VPI is great for cleaning off the mystery grease that forms on many 45s.
 
I was just wondering about the suitability of the VPI 16.5 machine for cleaning 7" / 45s. It requires an adapter kit right? Is there a forum consensus that this is the best tool for the job? Anybody done a head to head comparison with other similar products? I guess no one sells a device built especially to clean rare G45 discs?
 
I use a standard VPI machine that costs around $600. It cleans in one direction only. It does a good enough job for me. I've never compared it to the $1000+ version. The $600 model is more manual which is fine. There are vacuum tubes with velvet attached at the opening where the water is drawn from the disc after cleaning. You can buy tubes which fit either LP size, or 45 size. There's a 45 adapter that you also need for the 45 as the lp one is quite small.
 
They can cause scuffmarks, some paper sleeves are of a stiffer paper quality than others. But you'd be hard pressed to cause actual scratches that produces clicks.

I am at a crossroads of what to do. The PVC effect freaks me out, I've tossed a shitload of sleeves now. Some were probably ok but since I do not know which batch causes what all must go. Replaced with polyethylen, need something to protect the labels. But unsure if all poly is good too. I've had some hazing on a select number of records. Must say it happened rather fast. Some discs bought mid-2000s had already started to haze. I have not even checked them all , depresses the hell out of me.

Should have just stuck to the original brown paper sleeves!
I've heard that most paper sleeves have paper that came from paper mills where they use acid to help break down the wood for the paper Thus, the sleeves are not acid free and, supposedly react with the records. I've noticed paper reacting with vinyl on a few occasions. I bought some stock which originally came from the Crupp warehouse in El Paso, Texas. I noticed with some of the sleeves that they were stuck to the record at the opening in one tiny spot. The sleeve popped right off, but left a burn in the vinyl that makes noise. I used to think when I saw those burn marks that some jerk left a lit cigarette on the record, but after that experience, I realized the paper was the problem.
 
I've heard that most paper sleeves have paper that came from paper mills where they use acid to help break down the wood for the paper Thus, the sleeves are not acid free and, supposedly react with the records. I've noticed paper reacting with vinyl on a few occasions. I bought some stock which originally came from the Crupp warehouse in El Paso, Texas. I noticed with some of the sleeves that they were stuck to the record at the opening in one tiny spot. The sleeve popped right off, but left a burn in the vinyl that makes noise. I used to think when I saw those burn marks that some jerk left a lit cigarette on the record, but after that experience, I realized the paper was the problem.
The comic book world took care of this problem decades ago, acid-free paper should be standard in record sleeves by now.
 
I like those heavy old green paper sleeves that came with some of my 45s. I don't know if they sell those anyplace, but would be interested
in finding out
 
Yes they seem to be thinner, but it doesn't surprise me! They justdon't make em like they used to