Italiano Meatloafs (& dealers from other locales peddling fake acetates)

[MopTopMike]

Interesting article:

http://recordmecca.com/news/fake-acetates/

 

[buckeyebeat]

Robert Stricker
Lee Johanssen

The biggest problem is the chain of denial that exists when confronting people who deal with fakes - even if they started as innocent buyers or resellers.

Recently there has been a big blowup over some fake rare soul 45s. I expect the day will come soon when garage collectors will be hit with a similar debacle, after a 'secret find' of mint Tennalagas or Orlyns.

 

[MopTopMike]

One must be regarding the Philtown acetate that sold for 8K. Or the Jenges label 45 that was not issued in the 60s and is cited by some soul nazis to be an authentic pressing.

Some of the "legendary" soul guys are involved in scamming fellow collectors with fakes, like Simon Soussan and Ian Levine, both often playing dumb when confronted with evidence to the contrary.
Someone who has made his entire living (or close to it) for decades via booting fake acetates is a guy named Menkin, he seems to be able to con everyone.

 

[greenfuzz]

The only appeal an acetate has for me is if it contains unreleased music. I assume the fakes are using 45 rips? If so, what's the appeal when you can own the 45? I thought most collector preferred the 45 over an acetate of released songs.

Sorry if I'm missing the point in why collectors are being scammed...but these lowlifes need to be made public.

 

[Frantic]

what's the appeal when you can own the 45? I thought most collector preferred the 45 over an acetate of released songs.

I would think someone who wants a super rare 45 that never ever turns up would buy an acetate if that was the only way to get it.

 

[buckeyebeat]

The last sale of an actual 45 was somewhere in the $8K-$10K range. Assuming this was a real acetate - it has some provenance - this would be a 'deal'

http://www.popsike.com/INSPIRATIONS...-northern-soul-RARE-ACETATE/380798030685.html

 

[MopTopMike]

The last sale of an actual 45 was somewhere in the $8K-$10K range. Assuming this was a real acetate - it has some provenance - this would be a 'deal'

http://www.popsike.com/INSPIRATIONS...-northern-soul-RARE-ACETATE/380798030685.html

I thought Joey Jefferson would have licensed the track to Grapevine (John Anderson) or some other outfit long ago. If so, no need for the acetate except to ego stroke one's chin (something the UK male soulies enjoy doing).

I had purchased four acetates cut at a Los Angeles studio in 1968. All by different groups, i researched the copyrights and found the folks involved. The tunes were never issued. I had to deal them off long ago, and I am surprised these cuts have never been issued on a comp or 45 pressing to this day, tho I'm not in the soul social loop anymore.

The real scammers are the guys who try to pass off time period "authenticity" like Daryl Menkin. Taking obscure / alternate tracks and cutting them on an acetate. He must have made close to 1000 different acetates.