larry roquemore "what made me lose my head"

[legbarecords]

Just won this on ebay. I've always really liked this song. Pretty dark but lovely chord changes. I've noticed that some interviews with the band and other references out there cite this as unreleased. A mistake on their part? This is not a boot of some kind is it? Helpful info appreciated.- Greg

 

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Also, I just realized that I misspelled Larry's last name in my title, Roquemore. When I tried to edit it I couldn't find a way to edit thread titles. Is there a way and I just don't see it? Thanks.

 

[Mr.Segment]

It's not a boot. I remember this was a topic over at the old garagepunkforum (The Kopper forum) after Blurp76 bought it, but I forget how to get there. Surprisingly it still works if you were a member.
Cool song!

His 45 on Guyden on the other hand....eugh!

 

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Thanks for that! I think this one is actually Larry and the blue Notes, where as the Guyden 45 is Larry and...
a uke. ha, ha!

 

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Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2005 6:08 am Post subject: Larry and the Blue Notes question


From what i read on this interview http://home.unet.nl/kesteloo/larrybluenotes.html the song 'What made me lose my head' was thought to be unreleased.
This is what i picked up un ebay.... is it a discovery or it was already known?
A-side is 'She'll love me', by the way

I hope it's not some kind of bootleg

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Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2005 6:43 am Post subject:


Hmmmm....I conducted that interview. Looks like it was unreleased as by "Larry & The Blue Notes" but issued as a solo disc. Any idea what year it's from?

I'll have to shoot Larry an email and she what he recalls...

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Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2005 6:50 am Post subject:


But is it any good????????

Quote from the interview "It was intended as a follow-up to "Night Of The Phantom," but the Major figured AM radio wasn't yet ready for a guy that gets dumped by his girlfriend (and then) stabs her to death"
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Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2005 7:29 am Post subject:





The Unrelated Segment wrote:
But is it any good????????

Quote from the interview "It was intended as a follow-up to "Night Of The Phantom," but the Major figured AM radio wasn't yet ready for a guy that gets dumped by his girlfriend (and then) stabs her to death"


Is IT any good!?!?!?!

Oh, my God!!! Blasphemy!!!

It's one of their BEST tracks!!! It ain't no crude punker, but it's one of the best kinda garage ballad type songs E-V-E-R!!!
Dear Unrelated Segment, your 100 page "60's punk 45 want list" has a new entry from now on!

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Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2005 7:35 am Post subject:


As for the year, i have no idea ... catalog # is Tiris 607, Night on the phantom on Tiris is #101.
I don't know if there are other known releases on this label.

The song is good, btw some guitar parts are taken straight from Night of the Phantom, but overall the song is less punkish.
I'm not sure if it was included in the old Major Bill Tapes LP, but i think so because the Frantics V did a cover of this song

Here's a rip if you're interested:

http://www.webalice.it/nightmist/larry.mp3
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Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2005 8:18 am Post subject:


i can't download it

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Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2005 10:25 am Post subject:


I have a 23 song CD of Larry and the Blue Notes with "What Made me Lose My Head" and a great different long version of "In and Out" .
Get it and tons more here from Mike Dugo:
http://bob-wallis.com/cd_series.htm
From the info at this site, it appears the 45 from the beginning of this thread must be a bootleg.......

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Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2005 11:43 am Post subject:





ronkleim wrote:
From the info at this site, it appears the 45 from the beginning of this thread must be a bootleg.......

Ron


Yeah Ron it must absolutely be a bootleg after all "312" Larry Roquemore
fans can't be wrong!

It is probably legit, just one of those odd pressings the band didn't know about at the time.

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Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2005 11:52 am Post subject:


@bojax: I rechecked the link and to me it seems ok

@ronkleim: Same info i got, but the record does really look like a legit press, if it's a boot it's very well done ... I've very curious to hear if Mr. Roquemore does remember soemthing about it

btw is this the same version you've got on that cd?
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Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2005 12:58 pm Post subject:


First of all, yes, this record was known to exist and no, it's not a bootleg.

It was pressed in the summer of 1965, i.e. not long after "Night of the Phantom." So Larry either forgot about it, or "the Maj" just pressed it without telling him, and he never knew. Knowing "the Maj," the latter is a distinct possibility.

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Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2005 1:18 pm Post subject:


Blurpandroll- Re-post the pic of the 45 please; it seems to be a corrupted file on this side of the pond. Does your 45 have a delta number? Look for a delta symbol and a number in the 'inner groove" area on the vinyl.......

Jeeze, if it's real, you should contact mike Dugo about it......

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Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2005 1:26 pm Post subject:





ronkleim wrote:
Jeeze, if it's real, you should contact mike Dugo about it......

Ron


I'm going to try to test Larry Roquemore's memory of this tonight and will let you know what I find out...

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Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2005 4:43 pm Post subject:


Of course it is a real pressing, why would anybody bother bootlegging some ballad?
I can't see the label in the scan provided only the top half. This won't have a delta number, I venture it is one of thoseLH Houston pressings.

Most important - if we had to rely solely on memories from guys who used to play in garage bands, much of the resulting information would be more suspect and faulty than one finds in a Fuzz Acid & Flowers book!

This same situation of said band member(s) claiming unreleased when presented with an actual old 45 has occured dozens of times in my digging efforts. The Sincerely San Jose (pseudonymn for the Menlo Park, CA combo Fritz) non-existant 45 that actually does exist as an authentic pressing is still vetoed in concept by the songwriter himself.

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Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2005 4:53 pm Post subject:





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Of course it is a real pressing, why would anybody bother bootlegging some ballad?


I guess Mike; I've seen some pretty weird bootlegs.........

Anyway, can you please explain the delta number system?; I heard somebody figured out the code so it can be used for dating 45s........



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Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2005 5:38 pm Post subject:


There must be problems connecting to my image hosting site from overseas, the label showed ok here, and on a friend's computer too. Now i switched to imageshack so it should be ok now

Anyway as expected MTM is right, no delta number and LH etched in deadwax:
LH-1649 on She'll love me and LH-1650 on Lose my head
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Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2005 8:47 pm Post subject:


I have the Tirus #607 single listed in TeenBeat Mayhem, got it slotted as May, 1965 based on the LH number system.

Monarch pressings have a 'delta' triangle (hence delta number) on each side of any 45s pressed at the operation. The numbers ran in sequential order starting sometime in 1955.
Collector Warren "Blob" Cook cracked the code by calculating release information via old Billboard Magazines and the Joel Whitburn published Billboard chart book. Warren then developed tables which break down the numbers by month and year of release. The only problem was that Warren was a 50's guy, and didn't work too hard on the 60s section. I went thru the Monarch tables years ago and fixed some errors that did not add up in Warren's original, first published way back in a 1972 issue of Record Exchanger.
I will have this and other pressing plant info in TeenBeat Mayhem so you guys can figure out release dates on any kind of 45 as long as it was from the 64-70 or so era. I should make it available as mini-booklet too for the generic collecting crowd.

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Why do US 45s very rarely have the year of release on the label anyway??

It's quite ridiculous that 'code breaking' has to ensue to get a year a record came out.
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Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2005 4:42 am Post subject:





Expo67 wrote:
Why do US 45s very rarely have the year of release on the label anyway??

It's quite ridiculous that 'code breaking' has to ensue to get a year a record came out.


Nobody cared back then, as the product was considered disposable. It's quite ridiculous you ask this question

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Expo67 wrote:
Why do US 45s very rarely have the year of release on the label anyway??

It's quite ridiculous that 'code breaking' has to ensue to get a year a record came out.


Nobody cared back then, as the product was considered disposable. It's quite ridiculous you ask this question

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Well we all now care about US 45s

I've got UK, German, Dutch, French, Aussie, and even Israeli 45 pressings and they all have the year on the label....

It must only be Americans that didn't care about the 'disposable' vinyl record in the 60s.

 

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Expo67 wrote:
Why do US 45s very rarely have the year of release on the label anyway??

It's quite ridiculous that 'code breaking' has to ensue to get a year a record came out.


Like the man sez, the half-life of these dumb teen fad records was considered to be 6 months or less... it's not like they were creating "Astral Weeks"-like masterpieces which rock critics would debate in Rolling Stone during the 1970s. Thankfully.

The other reason is that it's FUN to try and figure the release date out, either via dead wax or circumstantial evidence.

I wouldn't worry too much though... it's FUN to be invisible.

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Posted: Tue Jul 05, 2005 1:04 am Post subject: Larry and the BlueNotes "What Made Me Lose My Head"


I asked Larry Roquemore to check out this thread and he sent me the following to post:

"What Made Me Lose My Head was the original followup to Night of the Phantom. I wrote this one. I thought Why Not? Figured we could get away with a spurned loved getting turned down by his girlfried, going nuts, and actually stabbing her to death. A bit gruesome, but I don't know any guy who hasn't been dumped, except maybe for Tom Cruise, and we didn't have that many Tom Cruises in high school. "

"This was actually released on the Tiris Label, Maj. Bill, of couse, and played about two to three weeks on local radio here before being cast aside (trashed) for something (I assume) was more palatable and safe, according to 1965 standards, whatever in the hell those were. Guess the world wasn't really ready for some guy going crazy and knifing his girlfriend. Next up for us was Talk About Love, the woosie version, with Delbert McClinton playing harp, then our own harder rock version, which to me was one of the best songs we ever recorded. That and In and Out and, of course, Train Kept a Rolling. However, the tune you mentioned, What Made Me Lose My Head, is indeed a rare, collector's item because it was never out there that long. Not sure if even I have a 45 press on it. "
---Larry

 

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Thanks for digging that thread up. That settles it.

 

[bosshoss]

Also, I just realized that I misspelled Larry's last name in my title, Roquemore. When I tried to edit it I couldn't find a way to edit thread titles. Is there a way and I just don't see it? Thanks.

It appears there is no way for members to edit the thread title. I tried with my member account, and couldn't do it, but was able to when logged in as admin.

 

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Yeah...I print exactly what a band member tells me, unless I can dispute it or somebody contacts me with contrary info. At that time, I couldn't dispute the info so went with it. Apparently Larry has changed his stance since I interewed him (probably back in 2003 or 2004). Glad it's been corrected here; if it was printed on 60sgaragebands.com I'd correct it immediately...but will see what I can do.

 

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Thanks for fixing that Mark. I'll be more cautious in the future. Also, this board is really a lot of fun. You guys did a great job with it. The rolling banner at the top is just amazing!

 

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Thanks Greg!
The rolling banner was programmed by my friend Aaron at work. There's one glitch, but it only seems to be a problem with certain browsers. The large white "G45" lettering is slightly corrupted when viewing with Firefox. We're trying to fix that. It would help if anyone seeing that corrupted "G45" banner lettering could let me know, and state the browser they are using.

 

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The white G looks slightly doubled up, using the Namoroka version of Firefox 3.6.13

 

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