Another new sound system

[bosshoss]

Time to trial it in a paint perhaps? Does it mix with PVA as poorly as BDG?

I haven't tried it yet. All indications are that it will behave like BDG, but at least it is much less expensive. Still very expensive to be considered for a paint though, depending on the application and quantity needed.

 

[Outside_Lookin_in]

All you need is a mixture sufficiently stable to allow extensive coating of internal parts. This should prove to be a maximally cost effective use of HYPE 4X.

On the question of the continual improvement of HYPE 4X, I can only think of two possibilities. (1) The tubes are gradually aligning themselves according to the course of the current, and thereby making the admixture more efficient; or (2) by way of quantum field effects, the nanotubes are learning to use the recording as a simile in order to locate the original performance and replicate it. Keep in mind that quantum entanglement is not subject to time and space.

Occam's razor might suggest a third possibility: that the sound you've effected is so extremely good, that it's impossible to remember just how good it is between listening sessions (as mentioned elsewhere); but let's not ruin the magic!

 

[Outside_Lookin_in]

I haven't tried it yet. All indications are that it will behave like BDG...

If you haven't tried it, then what are the indications? Is it that every BD product you've tried has failed?

Whatever became of the solid slabs from China, btw?

 

[bosshoss]

What I've been doing, is just using the HYPE 4X on simple outlet farms, instead of HYPE XXX. Although I made a couple of brand new ones, in most cases I just wiped off the HYPE XXX and replaced it with HYPE 4X.

The instant and ongoing improvements gained by doing this have convinced me that the power of a HYPE 4X BOX would be so great, that other treatments would pale in comparison, to the point of being a waste of time.

 

[bosshoss]

If you haven't tried it, then what are the indications? Is it that every BD product you've tried has failed?

Whatever became of the solid slabs from China, btw?

Both are nanoscale carbon powder, so I expect a similar reaction with PVA. I took the liberty of changing your post to obscure the specific ingredient list, since this is a public forum (no big deal, but anything is possible).

 

[bosshoss]

The slabs are only lightly doped. They work but are useful only in places where painting is not appropriate. I used them on the Thales tonearm for example. Nice, modest improvement was noted.

 

[Outside_Lookin_in]

Both are nanoscale carbon powder, so I expect a similar reaction with PVA. I took the liberty of changing your post to obscure the specific ingredient list, since this is a public forum (no big deal, but anything is possible).

I checked first to make sure you'd already mentioned it in this thread, and you had!

 

[Outside_Lookin_in]

What I've been doing, is just using the HYPE 4X on simple outlet farms, instead of HYPE XXX. Although I made a couple of brand new ones, in most cases I just wiped off the HYPE XXX and replaced it with HYPE 4X.

The instant and ongoing improvements gained by doing this have convinced me that the power of a HYPE 4X BOX would be so great, that other treatments would pale in comparison, to the point of being a waste of time.

You can't rule out that 3X and 4X (and maybe others to boot) may work together in a synergistic fashion, until you've trialled it correctly.

 

[Outside_Lookin_in]

Both are nanoscale carbon powder, so I expect a similar reaction with PVA.

So is a certain other product you've successfully mixed with PVA - well it came mixed with water at least.

 

[bosshoss]

You can't rule out that 3X and 4X (and maybe others to boot) may work together in a synergistic fashion, until you've trialled it correctly.

I have to some extent. I have compared farms of three types - pure 3X, 3X+4X, and pure 4X. I made the hybrid farms by just applying 4X to the uncleaned outlet pins which still had a 3X coating. The pure 4X farms made with brand new outlets are easily the best, no contest.

 

[bosshoss]

So is a certain other product you've successfully mixed with PVA - well it came mixed with water at least.

The dispersions are made very carefully at the ND lab, to produce a positive or negative zeta potential. This means that they can be easily mixed in a water base without clumping since all the particles have the same charge and repel each other. I had bad experiences with raw ND powder when I mixed it too strong with PVA. It has negative and positive charged particles which attract and form globules that can not be blended out. Even an hour in the sonicator failed to dissolve the clumps.

That's a different problem from the HYPE 3X and (potentially) 4X though. There is no clumping involved, it just loses its adhesive properties when mixed in high concentrations. It actually gets warm to the touch, indicating a chemical reaction is taking place. One solution might be to mix it half strength. Or perhaps a wetting agent might work. I'm also going to experiment with epoxy resin (5 minute araldite for example).

 

[bosshoss]

I checked first to make sure you'd already mentioned it in this thread, and you had!

Oops!

 

[bosshoss]

You can't rule out that 3X and 4X (and maybe others to boot) may work together in a synergistic fashion, until you've trialled it correctly.

I have 4 new substances on order, which may be interesting. I only have one gram of each on order, but that's enough to do sufficient experimentation. I think it's unlikely that any of them will match HYPE 4X by themselves, but it's possible they may work as an additive. HYPE 3X and 4X are very similar (using the same two elements), so I'm not surprised that mixing them appears to be pointless. The new substances are doped with completely different elements, so they may be more interesting.

 

[bosshoss]

I just picked up some parcels from the post office. One contained the female/female ethernet adapter plugs that I ordered a couple of weeks ago. I have tested one of them with HYPE 4X, using the short Cat 8 cables I obtained from Lindy Cables. I put the treated adapter and cable on the ethernet outlet which feeds the Kii speakers (from their controller). The result is just SENSATIONAL!! and absolutely no risk to equipment because if the HYPE 4X shorts anything, it will only be the adapter. But it didn't short. It transformed the sound to yet another new dimension. The improvement is similar in magnitude to a 4X outlet farm, and that's saying something. But it operates more on micro-detail and less on dynamic power. I've only listened for 10 minutes so far, and I'm sure there will be further improvement. Plus I have 9 more adapters to install!




Cost about $25 for a (streaming) audio upgrade level impossible to purchase at any price..

 

[Outside_Lookin_in]

Treatment of power supply vs digital supply resulting in improved everything vs enhanced detail (and consequent improvements) is exactly as expected! Congratulations of the experiencing the predicted improvements in full, Mark!

 

[bosshoss]

Today I made the world's first HYPE 4X BOX. It's only a small one, about 25% of the size of my first STB BOX. And I only used one quarter of a gram of HYPE 4X on the whole BOX.

Tonight I have been listening to my stereo play completely different music. Not improved sound. The same tracks, same songs but completely different music. That's the only way I can describe it. I finished it about an hour ago, and it is changing by the minute. It's analyzing the house, and making changes as it sees fit.

 

[Outside_Lookin_in]

Is it tailoring the sound to its own taste, objective engineering standards, or is it taking your personal tastes into account?

 

[bosshoss]

Is it tailoring the sound to its own taste, objective engineering standards, or is it taking your personal tastes into account?

It's doing its own thing, but exactly the way I like it. We seem to agree on almost everything. Soundstage dimensions are still largely dependent on time of day. At certain hours, extremely fine details can be perceived as depth (or width or height), and at other times the appear as floating texture. Both manifestations are satisfying and fascinating, but obviously both can't be right.

 

[Outside_Lookin_in]

The important thing here is that 4X wants to help you; it's just waiting for some feedback. Alternatively, you could just coat one side of the coper plates with 4X, and the other side with 3X.

As a side note, my sound system was sounding particularly good this morning, but the only change I made was to wrap my 3X farm in an STB magnetic sheet which had fallen off the back of the TV. Bass seemed to be the most improved, but midrange also had some added thunk (NOT funk).

 

[bosshoss]

The 4X BOX is extremely precise and hard. That is a compliment and definitely not a criticism, but it's slightly different from what I'm used to. Once you reach a certain level of precision, hardness becomes inevitable in some recordings. Because the smaller or textured images are so real and precise they are like solid objects in the soundfield. Especially in daylight hours, where the electric supply is never as "liquid" as it seems late at night. Notice I said hardness and not harshness. It would be a huge mistake and opposite to the truth to interpret 4X precision as harshness. I made that mistake last year when I first evaluated HYPE 4X and rejected it without sufficient testing and consideration. Not to mention mental adjustment, and break-in. A costly error, though the 3X experiment was also enlightening in many ways.

* edit - just to be absolutely clear, "hard" means dynamic, realistic, super-controlled, detailed, incredible.

the picture below shows the 4X BOX prior to receiving its second coat of HYPE 4X. The soldered joints are also drilled through the copper, and the wires are inserted through the drill holes then twisted before soldering, for maximim safety. Then I loop the cord once around the legs before closing and sealing the BOX. This means that tugging on the cord will not cause any problems. A rubber safety stopper on the cord where it exits the box would be better, which I will eventually add.

The HYPE 4X in the container looks gray because of the white PVA base, but it dries black.
Latest listening session confirms that the 4XBOX is still improving by the hour.