Yes. Also being put in a worn, vintage sleeve. Plus some obvious prevarication in the description - the seller knows that it's a legit pressing done with Festival's approval, but supposedly has no idea when it came out. Thereby leaving it open to interpretation that it might be from late '67 or '68, rather than late 2014.
Clueless ebay buyers
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chas_kit
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I have to agree with all those remarks.
That second auction of the 2014 "Come On" reissue ended at $111, down from $129 for the first auction. Now a third seller is offering a copy, having just copied and pasted the description from the second listing. Still no mention that it's a 2014 reissue!
You can easily tell the reissue, because it has a different "inner ring" than the original. Here is the original
The reissue does not have the same 2mm concentric welt or circle. It has a thin single circle. Also the original (at least my copy) has a "Southern Music Sydney" stamp. But i can't guarantee that each and every original copy has that stamp.
Another difference I have noticed, is that the "45" at the top of the reissue label is not properly centered between the words "BY" and "FESTIVAL", that is
the original looks like this
BY45FESTIVAL
but the reissue looks like this
BY45 FESTIVAL
Mark you are correct with the 'Southern Music Sydney' being on all original copies. Mine has one, and so does a friend of mine.
nachete_888
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Mine too.
Outside_Lookin_in
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You'd be after me if it didn't, lol!
KittyKat65
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Meanwhile, the 3rd one is at $66 with 6 hours to go. I even contacted the seller to let him know that his description was deceptive and what he was selling was a 45 that is available at JB HiFi, which is about as mainstream an outlet as you can imagine: https://www.jbhifi.com.au/music/Wha...ock/come-on-you-tell-me-why-7in-vinyl/616252/
No response from the seller, of course.
The 2nd seller told me that he just copied the wording from the first seller and had no idea about the origins. He also said he would contact the winner and offer him a full refund. He has a second copy that he was going to list on eBay, but is keeping instead.
I guess that's what happens with exact repros, like this and the Black Diamonds boxed sets.
No response from the seller, of course.
The 2nd seller told me that he just copied the wording from the first seller and had no idea about the origins. He also said he would contact the winner and offer him a full refund. He has a second copy that he was going to list on eBay, but is keeping instead.
I guess that's what happens with exact repros, like this and the Black Diamonds boxed sets.
Blank Records
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Yeah, exact repro. Except there's a catalogue number on the label that's clearly obvious for anyone that cares to spend 30 seconds comparing it to the original. Care to show me any auctions or completed sales where any of the singles from the black diamond box sets have been passed off as originals or "second presses"?
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I don't think even 30 seconds would be necessary to work that out. When there's an obvious difference on the label then I think the responsibility to not overbid lies with the collector. Any collector spending hundreds of dollars on a rare 45 should know the basics.
Blank Records
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agreed, if there was a "buying rare records for dummies" book it would be quite an early chapter in the book. having someone refer to the singles in the box sets as "exact repros" made me err on the side of caution and suggest a 30 second cautionary glance to compare to the originals as it was obviously not apparent to them they are not "exact repros"
Here is the Blue Beats listed as a second pressing, although to be fair to the seller they are letting it go for $20 BIN.
Blank Records
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that's what you get with some sellers on ebay though, extremely sparing use of information. at least there's no convoluted story about being unsure of when it was done etc. that's why rule #1 when dealing with ebay is:
caveat emptor!
caveat emptor!
mojogogo
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Here's another example of a reissue selling for a high price, with buyers possibly misled by the record being presented in a vintage 60's Deram sleeve and scant information in the description.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/45-FOCAL-PO...186-UK-ISSUE-7-SINGLE-Mod-Psych-/131389061563
At first glance the four prong center appears to be legit, which is often the easiest way to spot authentic 60's UK pressings. Until you notice the background in the photo is woodgrain but the space between the prongs is solid black, indicating it is actually one of these:
http://www.45cat.com/record/dm1862
I asked the seller about this, and my question is posted at the bottom of the auction, so I think this one falls into the category of "clueless ebay buyers" with just a whiff of "deceptive ebay seller," as the seller obviously knew this and conspicuously omitted the info from the description while emphasizing instead "IN ORIGINAL COMPANY SLEEVE!"
Now if somebody has a genuine original in that condition they'd like to sell me for that price, please get in touch!
http://www.ebay.com/itm/45-FOCAL-PO...186-UK-ISSUE-7-SINGLE-Mod-Psych-/131389061563
At first glance the four prong center appears to be legit, which is often the easiest way to spot authentic 60's UK pressings. Until you notice the background in the photo is woodgrain but the space between the prongs is solid black, indicating it is actually one of these:
http://www.45cat.com/record/dm1862
I asked the seller about this, and my question is posted at the bottom of the auction, so I think this one falls into the category of "clueless ebay buyers" with just a whiff of "deceptive ebay seller," as the seller obviously knew this and conspicuously omitted the info from the description while emphasizing instead "IN ORIGINAL COMPANY SLEEVE!"
Now if somebody has a genuine original in that condition they'd like to sell me for that price, please get in touch!
gregk25
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While I'm more on the buyer side than most forum members when it comes to boots/REs, in this case my pity is managable. This is so obviously that anybody bidding high has to book their loss as "education".
mojogogo
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Looks like the same seller sold a copy last month:
http://www.collectorsfrenzy.com/det...ID_DERAM_DM_186_UK_ISSUE_7_SINGLE_IN_ORIGINAL
The more recent listing appears nearly identical, maybe that previous copy was returned and relisted. Or he's selling a pile of them.
http://www.collectorsfrenzy.com/det...ID_DERAM_DM_186_UK_ISSUE_7_SINGLE_IN_ORIGINAL
The more recent listing appears nearly identical, maybe that previous copy was returned and relisted. Or he's selling a pile of them.
mojogogo
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I was unfamiliar with the seller, and I got a prompt response to my question, so I did not want to make any hasty judgments. But I am inclined to agree with you. A case of clueless buyers and unscrupulous seller. A match made in ebay heaven.
Mr.Segment
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While I detest sellers who pulls of shit like this more than anything, you gotta question the judgement of the buyer buying a UK pronged 45 WITHOUT the little inward spaces (whatever they are called. What is the official lingo for it?) where the prongs connect with the inner circle of the label. These half moons/spaces + the anti-skid ridge must be the only two remaining factors still not reproduced by bootleggers.
Andreas
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It is pure deception, for sure. The "original sleeve" to make it look like it's not a reissue without actually saying it out loud... Not cool. Although the seller clearly answers the posted question, so at least that's something, I guess.
What really puzzles me is the fact that when you are ready to spend such a huge amount of money on a record then you must clearly know what the going rate for said record is. Probably having checked Popsike etc. You're bound to know at least something about collectible records, no? So why the hell not bother to look just a little bit closer? It should take less than 30 seconds to figure out.
What really puzzles me is the fact that when you are ready to spend such a huge amount of money on a record then you must clearly know what the going rate for said record is. Probably having checked Popsike etc. You're bound to know at least something about collectible records, no? So why the hell not bother to look just a little bit closer? It should take less than 30 seconds to figure out.
mojogogo
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And not just one bidder, there were three bidding over 100 GBP.
