David 40 Miles / People Saying, People Seeing

[sanjuro73]

Outside Lookin In's suggestion of $20 and $50 bid increments are far too low. Ditto for a lengthy run time. Makes an auction tedious to participate and follow..

I personally like the $20 and $50 increments specifically. If someone bids $1000 on a record, there is a big difference between needing to bid $1050 or $1200 to potentially outbid them. For someone with a limited budget, that $150 increase is significant. I can see where $5 and $10 increments are annoying, but otherwise there are those of us who must be more frugal with our expenditures, no matter how passionate we are about collecting.

I agree on the run time though. 3-5 days tops.

 

[mr. splendid]

Offers - Seller reserves the right to retract item if seller does not agree with any offer, or it can be dealt as a combination cash & trade between parties.
Again, all offer items should show the cash offer posted, not hidden.

Regarding sales - one thread / post per seller no matter how many 45s are being auctioned / set sale, etc. I doubt anyone will have more than, say, 10 items at any one time.

I think if the bid/offer is binding for the buyer the seller should also be obliged to sell , otherwise you'd just set the price for the seller and he could turn around and sell it privately . Also if the seller has a value in mind he can always set this as a minimum and let's face it , with no real names involved there is also the possibilty of a shill bid .

About the sales - I agree with the one thread / post per seller . How about setting a minimum value for auctions ( $ 30 ? ) to keep out the Beckett Quintet etc. 45's . Maybe there could be a bargain bin set sale space for these .

 

[Heitkotter77]

I think if the bid/offer is binding for the buyer the seller should also be obliged to sell , otherwise you'd just set the price for the seller and he could turn around and sell it privately . Also if the seller has a value in mind he can always set this as a minimum and let's face it , with no real names involved there is also the possibilty of a shill bid .

That's where my suggestion of a set price or best offer would work, which could be expanded like this:
Seller sets a price, which would be one he'd accept and therefore a binding price if someone matches it. And it can be bid up for the length of the listing, let's say 5 days.
If there are no takers or bidders after 2 or 3 days, then it can be open to best offers, which the seller can accept or not. Though maybe, we can add a requirement that the seller must take any offer that's at least 75% of his original asking price.

As far as the possibility of shill bidding, it goes back to what others have said about the integrity of the members here and the registration requirements. It is a lot more reassuring than bidding on the Bay.
Also, I don't recall if this was mentioned or already exists, but there can be a requirement for selling based on time as a member and activity.

 

[MopTopMike]

I personally like the $20 and $50 increments specifically. If someone bids $1000 on a record, there is a big difference between needing to bid $1050 or $1200 to potentially outbid them. For someone with a limited budget, that $150 increase is significant. I can see where $5 and $10 increments are annoying, but otherwise there are those of us who must be more frugal with our expenditures, no matter how passionate we are about collecting.

I agree on the run time though. 3-5 days tops.

The person who bid $1200 should be protected from bid topping via an increase of 20%. This rule gives the person who has the high bid room to win and not have to keep upping their bid every time someone else bids $20 or $50 higher. As I said, if you really want an item, bid what it is worth to you with your highest affordable offer to start out, if you do not want to feel shut-out when the bid achieves an amount that you cannot afford.

Smaller 'affordable' increments will eventually cause g45 staff headaches and disagreements between involved parties, as witnessed on Facebook record selling groups whenever a sought-after 45 is posted for bids. We need to avoid fights, disagreements, etc, from the get-go, Unfortunately, I do not see any other way to prevent heated strife from transpiring without a minimum bid increase of 20% above the first bidder's amount.

 

[MopTopMike]

A G45 seller has the right (or should have the right) under the "offers" option do as he / she pleases with the 45. Meaning sell it for the offer, or deny any / all offers.

II am thinking of posting a few 45s as "Offers" at some point, if I don't get an offer that falls into my accpetable price range, I won't sell them.

 

[Frantic]

With all this talk of $1000 records I guess I'll have to list the scads of $50-$150 records I have on discogs. I guess you guys are only looking for super rare stuff. Bummer

 

[Outside_Lookin_in]

SAY WHAT!!!???

I've been away and contactless for extended periods in the past, and I was a big bidder once upon a time. Just assuming there are others like me.

 

[Outside_Lookin_in]

No system, short of extensive ID checks for registration, will prevent shill bidding

I agree on the run time though. 3-5 days tops.

Minimum should at least be a week - fortnight would be better. Not everyone has the opportunity to check G45 every day or even every week, and sellers could be missing out on a lot of potential bidders.

 

[Frantic]

No system, short of extensive ID checks for registration, will prevent shill bidding


Minimum should at least be a week - fortnight would be better. Not everyone has the opportunity to check G45 every day or even every week, and sellers could be missing out on a lot of potential bidders.

The seller should be able to put whatever time limit or starting price he wants. If not...I'M OUT!

 

[Outside_Lookin_in]

The seller should be able to put whatever time limit or starting price he wants. If not...I'M OUT!

Yes, that's what I'm saying

 

[Frantic]

Yes, that's what I'm saying

HUH? You wrote "Minimum should at least be a week - fortnight would be better" Am I missing something here? If I was forced to list a record for 1-2 weeks minimum, I would go somewhere else to sell.

 

[MopTopMike]

With all this talk of $1000 records I guess I'll have to list the scads of $50-$150 records I have on discogs. I guess you guys are only looking for super rare stuff. Bummer

How did you discern that notion?
I just used an example of a $1,000 bid needing to be increased to $1,200 via the 20% increase rule. A $150 bid would require a bid increase to $180. $50 to $60...and so on.
There are lots of lower end 45s I want to get.

 

[Frantic]

How did you discern that notion?
I just used an example of a $1,000 bid needing to be increased to $1,200 via the 20% increase rule. A $150 bid would require a bid increase to $180. $50 to $60...and so on.
There are lots of lower end 45s I want to get.

I was kind of joking. Someone mentioned records should be at least $20-$30. Just seems like people want to institute way too may rules. I'm leaving ebay for that very reason. I listed a record on the HASSLE FREE RECORD GROUP 2 days ago. it sold in less than 5 minutes, with very few rules and no one ragged on me for listing at the wrong time or not putting it up for bid. Sound familiar?

 

[MopTopMike]

HASSLE FREE is a censored membership site - the madam running the show will kick you off if she doesn't approve of you before you ever buy or sell a record.
That's not hassle free in my view.
Also, soul 45s are the focus of that group and there are WAY MORE people actively buying and selling soul 45s than 60s garage / psych.

 

[Frantic]

HASSLE FREE is a censored membership site - the madam running the show will kick you off if she doesn't approve of you before you ever buy or sell a record.
That's not hassle free in my view.
Also, soul 45s are the focus of that group and there are WAY MORE people actively buying and selling soul 45s than 60s garage / psych.

Never said I was going to sell garage there. I sold a NM Marlena Shaw California Soul 45. It was indeed a Hassle Free sale. Yep, have not heard good things about her that's for sure! I guess what I'm saying is...Next time I list a record here I don't want you (a moderator) to scold me for listing at a time of day you weren't happy with or whether it should be auctioned or set sale! Kapeesh?! I listed it with a nice price so someone could actually get a cool record on Christmas Day. Excuuuuuuuse meeeee

 

[MopTopMike]

I didn"t scold you or intend to scold anyone.
I just stated that it would have been beneficial to a seller to offer an item for offers or bids sothat more people would have an opportunity to participate.

 

[Frantic]

I didn"t scold you or intend to scold anyone.
I just stated that it would have been beneficial to a seller to offer an item for offers or bids sothat more people would have an opportunity to participate.

You conveniently left out the part about me listing it in the MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT which I did not. I listed it smack dab (5:45) in the middle of the day so everyone on earth had a chance at it. Sheeeeesh, can't win for losin' around this joint

 

[Jim]

For what it's worth I think the seller determines the selling conditions. It's his or hers to sell and tell, period.
Third parties telling people how to sell their records is not done in my opinion. I wouldn't adhere to the imposed rules.

 

[MopTopMike]

If no one wants rules then no rules is ok by me.
Do as you wish.
Just don't expect Mark or myself to referee or settle any disputes that may arise.

 

[Rich Strauss]

I took a quick look at the auctionworx software. It looked promising. Maybe it could be available for people who want a formalized auction. That wouldn't place too much of a burden on Mark & Mike. Anyone who doesn't want this, can make up their own rules and settle disputes themselves.

I am planning to sell some of my duplicates in the coming year, after I think it is safe to go to the post office again, here in California. I'll probably do a best offer or auction for the higher end stuff. I am thinking to do a Frank Merrill style set sale for the lower end stuff.

A disclaimer: I have been saying that I will sell some of my duplicates for years.