Did I Do Something Wrong ?

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or is that boring in the days of 'I must blog about my finds to keep up with the rest of the geeks"?

I blog about records I find, not to keep up with other geeks, not in my mind anyway, but to share a love of music and to share the little knowledge I have, basically my intention is to spread the love. Locally, I have maybe 4 or 5 others within a 100 miles radius that I can speak to about the music I'm into. My blog has allowed me to connect with people all over the world. I've made cyber-friends with many people, I've been turned on to loads of new music and new resources, not least this very site, by people I've encountered through blogs and through folks who upload onto youtube. I've made real world connections too and met some really great folks in the flesh and indeed it's lead to me visiting some really great record fairs in countries around the world. I've also heard from people from the very bands I've posted tracks by and in one case brought an artist and new label owner to the point of litigation!

Recently, posting sets from club nights on mixcloud has allowed me to engage further, again meeting new friends, both virtual and real life, across the world but also after a friend of a friend clicked a link on facebook, one of my sets is getting played on the local hospital radio (Suzy Creamcheese by Teddy and his Patches in the psychiatric ward? Yikes!).

I can see why folks, especially those with a real wealth of experience themselves, perceive these activities as a pissing contest but for me, and I suspect most others, the objective is about expanding our own horizons and knowledge, even if a little mutal masturbation tends to go with it.
 
I volunteered at a charity shop in the UK. SCOPE. Nice arrangement and first dibs to me. I priced rare records at 1/2 book price, taking grade into consideration. Manager displayed the rare stuff, if it did not sell in a month or two he dropped the price again until it sold. My pals and collectors hated me but got their rarities at less than guide price, a little profit left for re-sellers and we made a small increase in profits. I'd recommend Y'all get to your local thrift store volunteer as "thee vinyl expert" and do your community and your own record collection some good.
 
This post concerns a recent visit to a record store.
There's a record store 10 miles from here. It's one of those hole - in - the - wall places with boxes full of 45s in the back. We're talking thousands upon thousands of them, jammed in every which way. I hadn't visited in a few years, but it was a place I knew well. My first visit had been in 1994, and I had been back many, many times up through 2008 or so. Most of those records didn't even have price tags on them. I used to buy 10 or so at a time, at two bucks a piece, and they were usually pretty scratched up. Sometimes they were so scratched up they'd give a couple to me for free. So I was basically buying worthless records, but I really enjoyed listening to them. I managed to dig up enough garage obscurities to probably break even in terms of money spent. ( They usually sold the garage ones to me cheap as well.)
The other day, I went back. This time my intention was profit, not just the sheer joy of listening. I was looking for northern soul and perhaps garage. I had a plan. I sifted through records, and set aside any that looked promising. I asked the clerk if I could borrow a pen, telling him up front that I wanted to write the names of the records down and then go home and check 'em out. He acted totally OK with this. I wrote down about 100 records. The store was closing, so I placed my stack in a particular box of records, intending to come back in a day or two.This sifting and writing process took me a few hours.
I went home and found out what I could about the records. This also took me a few hours. I circled 12 or so as possible "sound investments." Yes, its true. I was planning to buy them and sell them on eBay. I'll admit it, I was hoping the store would sell them to me pretty cheap so I could make some money.
I returned two days later , and there was a different clerk there. I went back to my stack of records, and selected about a dozen. I took my records up front and the clerk gave them a real good once - over. He told me he would have to confer with his manager about what to sell these records for.( " A lot of these are from really obscure labels." he said) He also said " We've been having people take premium records from the front of the store and hide them in the back, then bring them up front and attempt to buy them cheap."(Was he calling me a thief, or just saying I may have inadvertently picked up some "premiums"?) This was not what I had done, the records I had found were in the back of the store, and that's where I placed them when I left two days earlier. He put the records in a brown paper bag and wrote my name on them. He told me the manager would be there in two days from now and would take a look at them. I could come in then and buy them. The guy seemed nice enough, and me being a nice guy thanked him and went on my way. To his credit, he gave me a free plastic record spacer just for asking.
When I got home, I had some sort of delayed anger attack. I couldn't get over the words " We've been having people take premium records from the front and hide them in the back." I hadn't done that. Was he saying I might be a thief?( The only other time this store had delayed selling me a record was years ago. I had found a Yma Sumac 45 with a beautiful gatefold cardboard cover. The clerk back then told me he'd have to ask his boss about that one, or he said I could buy it for 40 bucks. I declined paying 40 bucks.) It also angered me that I would have to turn around and drive all the way back there just to do something I should have been allowed to do when I brought the records to the counter.
I found myself becoming angry, with the growing sense that I had been mistreated. At home, I called the store and told the clerk who I was. I told him I wanted to contact his manager.He told me the manager did not have a cell phone and would be unreachable until two days from now, when he would be in the store. I told him that sending someone home to wait for a proper price, then having them come back, was crappy. I also told him I sure as hell didn't like him insinuating that I was a possible thief. "I'm sorry if you feel offended. I wasn't saying you might be be a thief." (Oh, really? Even if he was saying I might have inadvertently picked up some misplaced premium records, how was that my fault? ) He also told me that they sometimes delay sales to customers in this manner, so the manager can look at the records. I told him that was ridiculous and I should be able to buy the records while I'm there. I told him it was a major inconvenience. "Im sorry if you feel inconvenienced.." "FEEL inconvenienced? I was inconvenienced." "Well, I have to let the manager see records sometimes, and he wasnt here today."
"So what are YOU there for ?"
"Oh, I guess I should just quit my job then." he whined.
He'd already sent me home, sort of implied I was a thief, and now he was guilt tripping me. I fell for it and back pedaled, saying I was angry at management for setting this policy, not him.
The conversation went on a bit longer and he hung up on me saying something like " I have to help another customer."
So what should I make of this? Was I in the wrong for going home to check the records out and returning for the "stash" ? Was this a serious faux pas ? Had I done something bad ?
Or was did this place have a crappy way of doing business and a crappy clerk? I'd been going to this place for years, told friends about it, RECCOMENDED the place to other collectors. And now this?
As it now stands, I plan to go there in a few days and have a serious talk with that manager and ask for a really good deal on those records. I feel I've been done wrong.
Or have I ?
I didn't mean for this post to be a whole novel, but it just ended up that way.

yeah you did something wrong, first of all writing the info down. dont you think the store could take that same stack of records and research them, the same as you did? all you did was made their job easy! the clerk didnt promise you shit, and the store has the same right to research their own records to decide what to charge you for them, they never told you they would sell them for a buck or two each.

so yeah, another thing you did wrong was not knowing your shit. you also coulda had a smartphone and researched them on the spot. you say they sold you records for a buck or two all the time, if you really thought these looked promising, why not make an offer on the whole bunch? hundred bucks takes all.

now you already did this stores work for them picking the hundred, but you go back and pull twelve and say how much for these? you just told them the most valuable of the bunch, if they didnt know already!!! collecting records is sorta like playing poker, you just showed your hand!!! now of course they are going to ask a ridiculous price for them, or more likely, sell them on ebay!!!

common sense.

now lets get to the final stupid thing you did. maybe they would have offered you a fair price, but instead you call back the same shitty clerk and complain! i wouldnt be surprised if he lists the damn records on ebay himself the second he hung up the phone and never tells his boss you came in at all.

guess what? the manager has MORE of a right to look up the value of HIS records and determine the value than you do! he has no obligation to sell anything to you at any price!!!

here is what i do, i spend ten or twenty minutes and pick out a handful of relatively common but cool looking records, maybe a copy of pipeline or something similar and get it priced. if theyre insane i hit the road. if theyre reasonable, i go back and dig some more. let them think they have you figured out, let them research some obvious stuff thats worth a couple bucks but nothing real rare. then pick out a huge stack of stuff, and sneak in the rares. dude will flip through, see shit that he recognizes and usually they dont know the difference, unless theyre real sharp and then i feign ignorance and say i just picked it out because it looks cool or something.

if you want dollar record prices you have to act the part of a dollar record buyer. if you start writing shit down and cherry picking its going to send up all kinds of red flags. the clerk you dealt with would have been a complete fool to sell you those dozen records for a couple bucks each after the giant public display you put on.

once you get to know an owner and if they figure out what you are up to, try this: pick shit you know is decent but dont need or want yourself. i used to do this all the time once i was friends with a couple owners. like, heres the records i want, and i also picked out these hundred other records that you should be able to sell for more than a buck or two each.
 
yep same in France I think: pricetags are required and sell at a higher price or refusal to sell are prohibited
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well then the operation is illegal. not that i advice anyone pointing that fact out to the greasy, smelly, oedipus-complex-ridden four-eyed freak behind the counter.
 
I'm pretty sure we've all been in a situation where we've spent hours on our knees in some dank hovel, sifting through mostly horrific records desperatley searching for a fix, only to find a small glimmer of satisfaction, albeit in pretty ropey condition, where, on taking it to the counter we see the assistant reach for a Rare Record Price Guide and decree that "The book says it's £40", "Yeah, but it's not in great condition.", "But the book...". It's character building. Especially if you go back six months later, hoping rather than expecting that things have changed, only to see the very record you plucked out of obscurity previously, now sitting on a shelf, this time priced at £40, with an "Ultra Rare" sticker now added to augment it.


I cannot begin to express my absolute hatred when "the book" is pulled out, in my locale of the south coast (Sussex, Kent, Surrey and Hampshire) I drive to nearly all the record shops, charity shops and car boot sales which I know do records as an when I can.

"THE BOOK" argument ALWAYS get's going at some point or another, I know exactly what you mean when you say about when you suggest to these guys quality sucks.... such a goddamn nightmare sometimes.

Even with 70s and 80s punk stuff, it's a joke let alone the odd rare 60s single.
 
Why is it that the sellers who pull out "THE BOOK" never read the pages in the beginning of the books that explain grading, and how the MINT price decreases by roughly half for every step under mint?
 
Why is it that the sellers who pull out "THE BOOK" never read the pages in the beginning of the books that explain grading, and how the MINT price decreases by roughly half for every step under mint?
I remember the first time I ever encountered this... 12 or 14 years back at the local flea. Found a new seller with a 1000 or so 45s and I went through and grabbed a handful of obvious stuff including a local record that looked to be a garage thing and a doo wop record on a west coast label. I took the records to the counter and the guy reached for the book and asked if I minded coming back. I said I'd wait. Don't remember the prices on everything, but mostly one dollar records. The doo wop record was missing part of the center but booked at $300 so the guy offered it at $150. I passed. The garage record he couldn't find in the book and sold it to me for $5. That wound up being my first copy of the Living Us on Nomad outta Big Spring.

Went back a few weeks later and the guy was already outta business.
 
Hum, I believe that in Sweden you ARE obligated to sell the shit that is out in the store. I think we even have rules that there has to be a pricetag attached to the product.
But I'm not 100% sure. And then again, Sweden is where civil behavior come from.

Fuck you all.

fuck you!!!! hahaha...