kick this wanker in the balls!

[michaelvee]

(Link to wanker's website offering free stolen downloads of Tim Warren's hard work)

 

[MopTopMike]

It only took a few weeks for some asshole to throw it up for free.
and people want a digital download of TBM? NFW.

 

[captainsalty]

it's not really surprising and i think it's a waste of time fussing about it. everybody who values a "product" will pick up the vinyl and/or the cd, because it's a great item to have and display.

Mike, by the way, I'd indeed love a digital copy of TBM. Like when you want to browse all the releases of a label or all groups from one city, it would be very helpful to just have a search function.

-Lee

 

[MopTopMike]

Free downloads cut into sales, that's a fact.
Why can't people buy the vinyl or Cd then rip to their digital playback device of choice? Having some a-hole provide digital downloads for free prevents a sale of the product. I don't believe the BS jive that people who wanna buy the CD / LP will do so if they already got it for free.

Lee, a digital TBM would be great but,
1 - too much work and time required
2 - people would circumvent the purchase of it.
3 - few would pay the cost (not economically viable to do it)
4 - there are other on-line options for doing label searches, however they are never-ending workloads, and not totally trustworthy from an accuracy standpoint.

 

[eleelandc]

If the people here did the data entry to beef up one of the online discography sites (discogs or 45cat or whoever)... It's not sexy work but the combined collections of the G45 board membership would fill in a LOT of missing holes. Just throwing that out there. Might make for a handy site to look stuff up on your smartphones when out and about (not to mention that you can keep track of what you already have and in what shape which is handy if your memory is as bad as mine!)

 

[buckeyebeat]

Count me out. I have been posting discography information 'on line' before the World Wide Web was useful (on chat boards). Both Discogs and 45Cat have serious issues with duplicates, typos listed as legit entries, incorrect label numbers, blah, blah, blah, they are the kindergartens of record research. No reference site is worth a crap unless there is an arbitrating authority to edit and reject.

With seemingly everyone needed self validation by creating an account on Discogs and 45 Cat or blog/website/phpbb type forum to validate their cred as a 'crate digger' of 'the vinyls', I am beyond saturation level and am just about ready to hang it up and go back to the days where if you wanted to see my collection, you see my collection - in person - and you hear the records - played real time, loud, on a turntable.

If the people here did the data entry to beef up one of the online discography sites (discogs or 45cat or whoever)... It's not sexy work but the combined collections of the G45 board membership would fill in a LOT of missing holes. Just throwing that out there. Might make for a handy site to look stuff up on your smartphones when out and about (not to mention that you can keep track of what you already have and in what shape which is handy if your memory is as bad as mine!)

 

[chas_kit]

Mike, what I wish existed is the info from TBM in a spreadsheet or database. I love flipping through the book, and my copy is getting really worn (gave the second as a gift to a friend of mine), but a database would allow for searches by date, label etc and could be expanded on my me and other members of this forum. It would be awesome and super-accurate! Just a wish ... I realize there would be less incentive to buy the book if such a digital database existed.

 

[MopTopMike]

C'mon, George, you no wanna hang with the bro's?

Too many cooks certainly applies over at Discogs and 45 cat. I recently joined 45cat and contribute to things I see which need clarification or correction, but no way am I gonna sit down and key in my 45 collection.
I've put in my time at the keyboard, thank you. It's hard and workload-intensive enough trying to get the reigns around Beyond TeenBeat Mayhem.

When benevolence and fun sour to expectation and efforts for self-aggrandizement (is that a word? Should be)
count me out. I'll join ya, George for some brews and a platter spin session.

 

[MopTopMike]

Mike, what I wish existed is the info from TBM in a spreadsheet or database. I love flipping through the book, and my copy is getting really worn (gave the second as a gift to a friend of mine), but a database would allow for searches by date, label etc and could be expanded on my me and other members of this forum. It would be awesome and super-accurate! Just a wish ... I realize there would be less incentive to buy the book if such a digital database existed.

I hear ya, Chris.

But when I started TBM in 1992, I didn't even own a computer. I didn't get one until 1996 (an ancient by then, even, 386). No way could it handle running one of those crude database programs. I started keying in information as it would appear on the printed page, that was most important.
When I upgraded to a then current, faster PC in 200, it was too late to re-key the data into a database.
nothing will ever be accurate, as I've learned...long after we're all gone, things will still be messed up. Just going by what George has mentioned, it looks as if standards for accuracy are going by way of the

 

[eleelandc]

I don't know if anybody is actually measuring their self worth by the data entry on some website, but if they are that is certainly worthy of clowning! I just think that if those with the items were leaving a breadcrumb trail for themselves and the world, something close to a solid discography might be achievable.
At the very least, it will prepare the heirs to my collection (i.e. wife after she kills me) a solid way to get rid of my collection other than putting my shit on the lawn for a buck a pop.

 

[MopTopMike]

If you are concerned about your collection after passing on, I'd suggest doing an inventory list and valuation yourself, to leave as a guide for your heirs / family.

 

[eleelandc]

Yeah, I did that in filemaker, 20,000 data entries later I am still not done, but I see that the values change a lot over the time since I started. Now that I can run that program on my phone it is super handy to keep my for buying additional copies of things when I see em at stores (as I can look and see if I already own a copy, if it is promo or stock or whatever, and what shape it is in).

 

[eleelandc]

Not to threadjack. I don't work for these websites or anything.
Sucks that they are pirating the [strike]pebbles[/strike] BFTG downloads.

 

[chas_kit]

I hear ya, Chris.

But when I started TBM in 1992, I didn't even own a computer. I didn't get one until 1996 (an ancient by then, even, 386). No way could it handle running one of those crude database programs. I started keying in information as it would appear on the printed page, that was most important.
When I upgraded to a then current, faster PC in 200, it was too late to re-key the data into a database.

Oh man, I thought you had the info in some database form! Yes, that would be an incredible amount of work to re-key it, and new typos would be sure to happen. If anyone wants to crowd source a retyping of TBM, I'll volunteer ... for the letter X.

 

[Sancho Panza]

Wasn't there suppose to be three unreleased Keggs' songs on BFTG 9? Or maybe I'm wrong. As always.

 

[sircyclops]

Kinda meta, really, what with the downloader prominently displayed on the front getting the pitchfork in the arse.

 

[bosshoss]

Good idea highlighting the jerk who has done it, but it's better if we don't provide links to it. Hope you don't mind michaelvee, but I have removed the link.

 

[Outside_Lookin_in]

I've been keeping a database file for North American (as well as "ANZ"; "Britain" and "Foreign") sixties garage since the eighties. I started with some DOS database - too long ago for me to remember the name - back in the day when a computer had no hard drive: just one or two five and a quarter inch floppy drives. Now it's an Access file. Accuracy and completeness of information has always been the driving impetus for me in this work. It should be nearing completion in another twenty years from now...

 

[bosshoss]

My collection is my database. It's 100% accurate, but sadly not complete. That's why I need2own every '60s garage 45. Only joking (or am I?).

Having Teenbeat Mayhem as a guide has been a revelation for my collecting efforts for USA 45s. Now I don't use comps as a guide any more. I just concentrate on filling in the TBM blanks. Thanks to Mike and everyone who helped with the ratings, it's a quality reference I can trust, and do trust.

The ticks mark the ones I have in my collection. What fun! The totals are at the bottom of each page. The max I own is 36 on a single page, but in the "It's Not Over Yet" section, it is as low as 2...
Average is about 25 per page.

 

[eargasm!]

I do that as well, Mark..but my book is significantly cleaner than yours...as far as seeing BFTG, it was inevitable and sad. It's also a reminder why we discontinued the forum comps..