Last Of The Garage Punk Unknowns Volumes 1 & 2

I guess I'll have to wait until Vol's 5 and 6 to hear The Torments on (Amway). I'm seriously wondering what that one sounds like considering that it was planned for BFTG 9.

Hey Mario, if you wanna give a listen to the Torments check out the MTM's YouTube Channel:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E73IS-qWGR0

I hope some of these are included on the next volumes:

Spencer's Van Dykes - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=loUoUVxQ-78
Fuzztones - "We're In Love" - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGcxSOZowJc
J. Goon & the Belvederes - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmNLQCrGcW0
Kriss Kross & the Honeymoon Tree - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FnXSCjuhaH0
The Blacksheep - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JabthZftpAg
 
After these 2 new ones, here what's left from the TBM Top 1000 not comped yet


Talismen “Got Rid of You”

J. Goon & the Belvederes “Beware”

Dexter & the Derbies “Time”

Wurds “Born in Chicago”

Scotlind Yarde “Shadows in the Dark”

Dry Ice “Uncertain Love”

Gaunga Dyns “Clouds Don’t Shine”

Colour Us Cool “Come to Me”

Scotland Yarde “Why”

Those 5 “Sidewalks”

Gnomes “The Sky Is Falling”

Heard “Poppies”



Songs only reissued on CD

Bacardis “This Time”

Castiles “Baby I”

Symbols “What You’ve Shown”

Trudy Van & the Realm “Do the Surf”

Try-Angle “The Writing on the Wall”

Edicates “She’s Gone”

War Lords “I Got It Bad”

Detours “You’re the One I Had”

Roks “Transparent Day”

Early Americans “Night After Night”

Try-Angle “Coming Home”

Light Brigade “Baby You Don’t Care”

Changing Tides “Don’t Say Good-Bye”

Next Step “I’ve Got Power to Fly”

Beethoven 4 “Im’ Leaving Today”

Next Step “I Said No”

Kynds “Find Me Gone”

Monteras “You’re a Tease”

Section 5 “Pushers Route”

Gnomes “Something’s Going Wrong”

Beau Gents “3 Letter Word”

Esquires “You’ve Got Another Thing Coming”

Blue Boys “I Know”

Beethoven 4 “Don’t Call On Me”

Inferno “The Inferno”

Malibus “I’ve Gotta Go”

Intruders “Total Raunch”

Pulsating Heartbeats “Anne”

Creations “I Want You”

Time Takers “Don’t Turn Away”

Mystic “I Get so Disgusted”

Unwritten Law “This Whole World Is Blind”

Remaining Few “Wait a While”

Dawn 5 “A Necessary Evil”

Fifth Row Bac “Please Don’t Go”

Children “I Can Feel It”

Psychotrons “Death Is a Dream”
 
Hey Mario, if you wanna give a listen to the Torments check out the MTM's YouTube Channel:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E73IS-qWGR0

Thanks massb, but I've seen and heard that already. I was actually referring to the flip of that record "I Love You More Each Day". I remember reading a comment on MTM's fb page about how that track was planned for BFTG 9. But now with the new BFTG's out there, it's obvious this one got rejected by TIM.

I sure hope it gets comped on this series on the later volumes. A label scan of the record was even on this early artwork before the name of the series got changed to LOTGPU.

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Speaking of stuff that hopefully get's comped, what about this? I know some of you think it's a bit pedestrian, but I like it, and I don't believe it's ever been compiled.

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MOST of the already comped material need to be redone in proper audio quality. Just like there are people who can't tell a good coffee from a bad one, there are those who can't tell a full dynamic range, full spectrum remastering, from one that's had the living daylights processed out of it. I won't mention specific labels, because non-audiophiles won't understand.

It's also worth mentioning that most comps are out of print, so is it "too bad" for those who missed out?
 
To answer both questions:

There are not enough committed buyers to make recycling tracks in "hi audio quality" a profitable venture.
Most people are satisfied with what they already have, and would not buy the same songs repackaged.
Most people do not have the audio playback capability or financial capacity to even enjoy listening to hi-end audio quality. They do not care.
Newer / younger fans of the genre expect and prefer digital, for a variety of reasons.

As for "missing out", if you want something bad enough, go look for it. Put a little effort in. Can't afford it? Save up, or explore other options.
Such reasoning worked in 1985, and is still valid in 2015.
 
A bit surprised that Paupers "Shining Light" hasn't appeared on any comp yet. Or has it? Would fit in nicely in the LOTGPU series in my opinion.
 
To answer both questions:

There are not enough committed buyers to make recycling tracks in "hi audio quality" a profitable venture.
Most people are satisfied with what they already have, and would not buy the same songs repackaged.
Most people do not have the audio playback capability or financial capacity to even enjoy listening to hi-end audio quality. They do not care.
Newer / younger fans of the genre expect and prefer digital, for a variety of reasons.
A fair enough observation except that I wasn't excluding digital in what I said. I'm aware this would not be a money making venture, but someone may one day do it as a public service.
 
As for "missing out", if you want something bad enough, go look for it. Put a little effort in. Can't afford it? Save up, or explore other options.
Such reasoning worked in 1985, and is still valid in 2015.
This smacks of elitism to me, and things are DEFINITELY NOT the same now as in 1985! Anyone starting collecting now would spend 10s to 100s more time and money acquiring an equivalent collection, especially if you include original vinyl.
 
There was a time on an earlier forum when guys like masterbeat, Mark, Mans, Rich, Paul, MTM and several others (sorry I didn't mention everyone who came forth to share their collections, it has been a number of years) made up great comps in both selection & sound & they circulated back & forth free of charge. Maybe some of those great "What I scored in 2014" listings can get the ball rolling again.

As for someone doing it as a public service - someone IS doing that right now !

Ned
 
Elitism is usually the first term tossed out loud by the entitlement generation membership.

My comment suggests that the individual use the wide array of avenues to obtain and/or learn about the topic at hand. Today is prime time for getting into 60s garage for the music, not for the original artifact.

In 1985, we (those of us who were actively collecting, networking etc) had to make friendships with like minded people and hopefully, the more knowledgeable would be willing to share information, or at the very least, point one in the right direction. Didn't matter if concerned collecting original 45rpm pressings, compilations, or just obtaining information. In order to hear unfamiliar songs, it required networking, or buying every compilation.

As to collecting originals, 1985 was certainly better when it came to purchasing power. Competition was not united. But if you think all of these now high dollar garage 45s were just lying around for the taking, you are wrong. it required effort even back then to turn them up.

2015 - The internet makes everyone an instant expert. Look at all of the websites where one can download songs, and comps! A newbie who doesn't know anything about 60s garage / beat can obtain an INSTANT collection on his / her computer. From there, depending on life circumstances, the decisions can be made to pursue collecting original 45s, buy the comps, etc. As for out of print comps, of you really want one, you pony up for it. If you cannot afford to do so, such is life. and for originals, ebay is your every day record convention. It's like hitting every record show / fair all at the same time. Except now, the world is right there with you.

2015 is better than 1985 when it comes to availability to hear something. That is my point. You can have most anything for free digitally with a bit of effort. If you want a higher grade option, you also have a choice in varying degrees. Whether or not one can afford it is another matter entirely.
 
In 1966 we had little or no idea of bands as close as 30 miles away that had private press records unless they played a club on our local circuit or were lucky enough to get some airplay.

Today you can hear virtually the entire G1000 or the top 1000 from TBM in a couple of days. You can go from novice to conversant in a matter of a week.

The internet has indeed changed the world, but somehow the commitment to digging & sharing will never be replaced.

Ned
 
I have been collecting sixties garage since 1985 and am not a member of the "entitlement generation". Back then, it was a lot tougher finding US 45's from Australia, or even knowing what to get. Almost everything I've gotten, I've gotten the hard way - not many bargains come past my door. It is only my single-minded love of sixties garage over the decades which has resulted in my having an appreciable collection. (I should add that a good friend made a small (percentage-wise), but very noteworthy contribution to this collection.)

I'm still detecting, a degree of elitism in some of the above comments: "... if you really want one, you pony up for it. If you cannot afford to do so, such is life"; and furthermore, file swapping is fine if you happen to be in the right circle at the right time. Don't get my wrong, I fully acknowledge, and greatly appreciate the contribution MTM and others have made, and are still making, but I'm saying more can be done, particularly in respect of high fidelity reissues; and you shouldn't have to be part of some collector elite, or have to go down the long hard road to acquire a great music collection. Youtube rips, and low rate mp3 are no substitute. Just as great paintings are better displayed in a museum than hidden away in private collections, the breadth of sixties garage will ideally be made available one day either digitally or by way of vinyl reproduction, but in excellent audio quality, in adequate supply, and at an earthly price; because such great music should not be denied any who are capable of enjoying it.
 
Youtube rips and MP3s are no substitute for those of us, like you, D, and me. We're a slim minority.
Not for the masses, though, that is how people roll in 2015. Everyone wants ease of access. Immediacy. Now.
That is why vinyl high quality repressings are not viable from a financial standpoint, as I've posted. digital clips that download quick are the prime listening experience. i know lots of people who simply plug their phone into their vehicle and stream a youtube playlist while driving, or while lounging at home. Playing records is too much effort and work. If the songs are at one's fingertips, why bother with analog playback?

You don't have to be of a certain age to be of the entitlement generation. To me, that ideology is comprised of people who believe they have an inherent "right" to something regardless of whether or not they can afford it, obtain it. Music is a prime example.

Nobody has a right to hear something, just because they are a "fanatic" or a disciple of some cult established genre. Look at the guys who trade rare video footage. Not all of them are willing to share. There are clips i was given in strict confidence and instructed NOT to make copies or distribute. And I have not done so. These guys don't want stuff up on youtube, whether for rights and legalities or for selfish reasons. Regardless of reason, it is their choice.

George nailed this concept in one of his Rebel Teen zines back in the '80s. We all should be grateful for what has been presented and shared, but to expect it because "I wanna hear it, or "I deserve to hear it because I love the music" is preposterous. We should all be happy with what we have already. Anything else is a bonus.

If you want something bad enough, you will decide either to do whatever it takes to obtain it (spend time, money and effort) and do without other non necessities in your life in order to make it happen. That is not elitism, it is personal choice and responsibility.

Ned also brings up another point - so much U.S. 60s garage sounds are now available either digitally or on wax. 2015 is the golden age for enjoying the sounds. 1985 provided the chance of buying a mint copy of the Fabs for $50, but not for having everything known available "to hear".
 
If I were just discovering garage in 2015, no way would i be thinking about or trying to obtain original pressings of garage 45s. Sure, I'd buy a few that I could easily afford, but I would be more concerned with hearing the music. I'd seek out the best examples when possible. I'd combine vinyl with digital to build a library.
 
I'm not diametrically opposed to what you are saying, MTM, there is validity in your viewpoint, and I'm not for a moment suggesting anything should just be given away: there has to be a degree of investment from those wanting something of worth; but what is evident from all the above comments - as in everything in life - is that there are different stakeholders with different interests - and finding a compromise that gives all stakeholders a degree of benefit is the best solution. But I guess that does happen anyway to a significant degree. I'm just saying there's room for improvent.

i know lots of people who simply plug their phone into their vehicle and stream a youtube playlist while driving

Hahaha, this typifies gen Y. Sadly, they're more interested in quantity than quality - Oops! I think I just inadvertantly described many a gen X record collector...

Some years ago, I was reading the editorial in a hi-fi magazine - Sorry, can't remember which details - and the editor was telling about how he'd gone to a hi-hi show which had a lot of high value systems on display. One particular company, when it came to auditioning its equipment, did it by plugging in a smartphone and playing MP3s! The editor pointed out how awful it sounded, and how ridiculous it was for a high end hi-fi company to demonstrate its equipment like this.
 
Let's get serious here. How many great unreleased songs are on one-of-kind acetates or reels? No matter what you do or how much you want to spend in order to obtain them, they'll never be available to the masse in their lone surviving format. So instead of settling for lesser sounding mp3s, we should choose to not listen to the songs? Where's the logic in that? I'm more than happy with mp3s or digital rips. Bring 'em on.

And don't get me started on the video bozos. Unless they are legally bound by contracts--and if they are, then why are they making copies only to tell people they're sharing it with not to make it available to others?--what is the purpose in not wanting other fans to see the footage? They are people with the collectors mentality that "I have it, and you don't." I don't know if it offers a false sense of worth, but these jokers need to lighten up. Once one of these clowns refused to trade me--and I offered a ton of rare video in return--the great TV footage of The Moanin' Glories. Years later, when I obtained the footage directly from the band, I made free copies for whoever asked. It's fantastic footage and should be enjoyed by all who are interested in seeing it. Owning an original kinescope and choosing to not share the footage is one thing; having a DVD copy obtained from somebody else and shutting out other like-minded collectors is idiocy. Yes...I understand that many times somebody will obtain rare footage and then post it to YouTube to try to seek the glory of locating the footage; those morons are out there. But to deny another collector--one who promises not to post to YouTube--for no reason other than to limit who enjoys the footage is wrong.
 
Definitely agree with what you're saying greenfuz, except to me, having to settle for a low bitrate MP3 rip from a $300 all-in-one USB turntable is the equivalent to having a b&w xerox of an oil painting hanging on my wall - more cruel than having nothing.
 
Not to veer off topic, but it seems like the remastered BFTG VOL. 2 that Tim is re-releasing has NEW tracks included?

The Hysterics "Won't Get Far", Sweet Cherry "Funny Things Floating", Unknown Band "Little By Little", and The Deverons "On The Road Again".

What a great idea to replace some of those original tracks. The Hysterics definitely deserve to be in there!
Crypt is on fire!!! :sunny:
 
Not to veer off topic, but it seems like the remastered BFTG VOL. 2 that Tim is re-releasing has NEW tracks included?

The Hysterics "Won't Get Far", Sweet Cherry "Funny Things Floating", Unknown Band "Little By Little", and The Deverons "On The Road Again".

What a great idea to replace some of those original tracks. The Hysterics definitely deserve to be in there!
Crypt is on fire!!! :sunny:
I just ordered Vols 1, 3 and 5. Is the "new" 2 out yet?