NEW COMP: REVENGE '66 lim. edn (300) 60s garage LP

Frantic said:
Re-record what?:confused:
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Re-record the original 45s on the respective compilations. If they have better techniques for audio quality, they should use them...unless they want to keep, as another user pointed out, the bad quality which has become associated with the series.
 
HarvestmanMan said:
Re-record the original 45s on the respective compilations. If they have better techniques for audio quality, they should use them...unless they want to keep, as another user pointed out, the bad quality which has become associated with the series.
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The legit labels try to find the original master tapes and only dub from clean 45s as a last resort. Bootleg labels only make copies of whatever is available to them. Usually 5th generation crap offa the net:%:
 
Most, if not all of the songs that were first compiled on the early volumes of Pebbles have appeared elsewhere, in much better fidelity - whether from a master reel tape, or sonic upgrade dub from the original 45.

If you are one of those malt shop memories type dorks - dudes who yearn to revisit one's long-lost youth by the soundtrack of the time (Man, I was blasting Pebbles Vol 5 while cruising for chicks with go-go boots in 1983) then make your own composite re-do of all the songs off of Pebbles Vol 5 if you are bugged by the sound of the original bootleg LP.
 
MopTopMike said:
Most, if not all of the songs that were first compiled on the early volumes of Pebbles have appeared elsewhere, in much better fidelity - whether from a master reel tape, or sonic upgrade dub from the original 45.

If you are one of those malt shop memories type dorks - dudes who yearn to revisit one's long-lost youth by the soundtrack of the time (Man, I was blasting Pebbles Vol 5 while cruising for chicks with go-go boots in 1983) then make your own composite re-do of all the songs off of Pebbles Vol 5 if you are bugged by the sound of the original bootleg LP.
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I don't remember anyone complaining about the sound quality when we were buying Pebbles vol. 1 as a white label LP with a slip sheet cover from Shaw's mailorder 35 years ago. The music quality was so overwhelming both the packaging (one sheet photocopy) and the sound quality were easy to overlook. People who still slam Pebbles should take a step back & realize things really started there. Improving the Pebbles blueprint - better graphics, historic photos & details, and upgraded sound quality - is what comps are & will continue to be all about. Things will evolve, but the chances of someone redoing the Pebbles sets commercially is pretty slim. Just look @ how small the membership is here & how few of the sterling sets Mark put together were given away for free.

There are many excellent sides from Pebbles/Highs in the Mid 60s sets that have yet to resurface on newer comps - just goes to show how few of some of these sides are in even the top collections.

Ned
 
Over the years I sent out at least 1000 tracks mastered from records in my collection, free of charge to anyone who wanted 'em. Including over 600 FLAC files posted on the forums, including the forum comps, Wyld Canada (nearly 200 in that series), Secret Society downloads, expanded Psychedelic Disaster Whirl, Fenton catalog, G45 Unwaxed and "you-know-what" currently at the Secret Society Bunker. Before that I used to send out free comp CDs to collectors worldwide. There were at least 20 CDs worth of those, including 5 sets of Texas Sizzlers, the first ever multi-CD PNW compiilation, multi-CD Florida series, multi-CD Minnesota series. In total I sent out more than 800 free CDs made and posted at my own expense to collectors around the world. That's not counting the 1,100 tracks I sent MTM for TBM panel ratings. As well as that I've mastered tracks free of charge for Norton, Big Beat, Frantic, Crypt, Way Back, Caped Crusader and various non-legit operations too dubious to mention.

I may seem to be braggin', but I don't think I'm any different from the majority of members of G45 Central, including MTM, Joey, Expo, Mr. Segment, Ned, eargasm, greenfuz, westex, Don Julio, soundog, Jeffers66, massb, Mans.... I have to stop there because there are SO MANY guys on this forum who have shared stuff from their bunkers for free, because of enthusiasm and love for '60s garage music.

Up to half of the "Revenge 66" release is taken from my posts and free CDs. Definitely IVBidden, Page Boys, Tempos, Mogen David. Probably Striders, Dominions and Oedipus & The Mothers. I've already made it clear that I don't care if people use my transfers for their other projects. It just makes me a lot happier if a little thought and respect is put into the job, especially if it's going to be sold for a high price. For example, why should IVBidden be listed as ? when a quick google search will reveal that it's from a tape I discovered from the Fine Recording Studio, Rochester, NY.
 
You are so right, BossHoss!

A little extra effort to do things right goes a long way toward earning positive kudos and respect.
Like, maybe asking permission to include specific tracks? I'm sure BossHoss would've graciously allowed the Revenge '66 compiler(s) to use the tracks in question. And if so,a thanks to BossHoss for the kudos blurb which should also be somewhere on the cover would suffice to show a sense of professionalism, D.I.Y. or not.

But you know what I think? The purpose of this comp release is purely ego driven - moreso than any purported claim to "share the music". Why? Because these chumps won't ever be able to own the original 45s themselves, for a variety of excuses. They also lack the knowledge, and friendship/helper base to start a cool website like Garage Hangover or 60sGaragebands.

Without their own years in the archiving resource of a large library of 60s garage songs, they have to self-righteously pilfer from others, all in the name of being able to say to their circle of pals "Look at what I /we did! Now I'M / WE are a part of the cool clique in the '60s garage scene". Their egos are too self-centered to ask for help from those in the know. Or maybe even too fragile.

I have rarely refused a request to help out with someone's project. And I always take the time to answer queries, correct details found elsewhere, and the like. It's too bad that this Revenge 66 comp is purely motivated by ego, it could have been done in a much more acceptable manner regarding sound, information, and maybe design. Then it would be worthy of the 30+ US bucks the compilers demand.
 
One thing I don't get here, if I may ask...
No one owns the copyright to these songs.
They were issued on labels that no longer exist and (perhaps) published by some companies that went into oblivion ages ago too.
As far as I know, to have an original vinyl copy doesn't make you the owner of the content.
 
ian said:
One thing I don't get here, if I may ask...
No one owns the copyright to these songs.
They were issued on labels that no longer exist and (perhaps) published by some companies that went into oblivion ages ago too.
As far as I know, to have an original vinyl copy doesn't make you the owner of the content.
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Someone somewhere probably owns the copyright. Just because a company fails doesn't mean copyrights expire.
To make copies of copyrighted material and distribute them is against the law, if you don't own the copyright, or have an agreement with the copyright owner. Anyone who makes illegal copies risks lawsuits for breach of copyright.
On the other hand, without people taking those risks, the soybomb '60s garage compilation database would consist of maybe 5 percent of the titles that you'll find there today. 95 percent of all those ultra rare original songs, including just about all the 45s used to make Back from The Grave, Pebbles, Teenage Shutdown etc., would just be sitting in collections, occasionally selling for megabucks on eBay. That would be it. Since trading tapes or mp3s of copyrighted material is illegal also, you would have never heard any of it, so at least you wouldn't know what you were missing.
I can't imagine anyone here being happy with such a "completely legal" situation...
 
ian said:
One thing I don't get here, if I may ask...
No one owns the copyright to these songs.
They were issued on labels that no longer exist and (perhaps) published by some companies that went into oblivion ages ago too.
As far as I know, to have an original vinyl copy doesn't make you the owner of the content.
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The point is...if Mark pays, for example, $1,500, for a one known 45 and then graciously posts the song for all to enjoy...and then finds that some loser puts it on a comp to make money without providing any credit...well, if you don't understand why that would piss anybody off than you just don't understand collecting etiquette or human emotions.
 
my thoughts on this comp is simple... why the hell couldn't it just get released as BFTG volume 9 in the first place??? and have the 45s sourced and recorded properly?

I actually love the BFTG cover sleeves.... funny as hell.... punk as hell too... images literally burying all the utter turd of the day.

Now the most killer comps of recent days are the norton acetate series, made well, sourced well, thanks given where due, good covers, good vinyl, good sound.... great comps.

I know some very early 60s garage collectors whom even pre-date folks on this site, they have gracefully supplied me garage 45s recorded on cassette tape.... I wish more people did this, cassette tapes SOUND killer!!!! the only issue with these cassettes, is there is no info - one such tape had a whole 90 mins of 60s garage I'd never heard before - which is saying something, I wish I knew the tracks...god damn cos I'd say these tracks are killer, most never comped too.


The person who comped Revenge 66, is probably just some chancer who doesn't quite get the rules involved with this sorta thing.... in my opinion the person could well be a northern soul fan who decided to dig garage.
 
I've just read this whole forum.

guys, people need to chill out... we're all lovers of 60s garage music, the forum turned very bitchy... it's not cool to be like that.

lets all just rejoice that new Teenage Shutdown comps are coming in the near future.

also.... I am working on a new LP haha (shameless plug there)
 
paul messis said:
I've just read this whole forum.

guys, people need to chill out...
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chill out Paul?? When people like sylvain spout off utter nonesense and attack 60s garage collectors I'm affraid the gloves will come off on here. Go find yourself a hippie Forum if you want love, peace and understanding.
 
down-n-out said:
You are hereby ordered to purchase the following:

All 8 volumes of Back From The Grave
All 15 volumes of Teenage Shutdown
All 8? Volumes of Garage Punk Unknowns (tho it might be easier to get the box set, as I think the 1st 5 volumes have been outta print for quite awhile)

Then play this stuff for your friends! We need some youngsters to carry the flag after we're gone!

Who Will Save Rock & Roll?
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I will save rock n roll !!!

Mop Top.... forget the additional comps section for the book, you need to get recipes in there, some culinary dishes to help fuel the read.
 
MopTopMike said:
Tim IS going to re-press Teenage Shutdowns, Vol. 1-15 again, on vinyl. He's also planning 500 CD-only ones, for band members (all given away to them for free), but the vinyl pressings will be in a larger quantity.
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Is this really a wise business move? I can't really see that there are 1000 (or whatever the vinyl re-press will be) potential buyers out there that haven't already bought these. Hopefully I'm wrong.
Wouldn't it be better to concentrate on new volumes instead? If TW originally had planned TS to be a 60+ volume series, surely he must have had a plan or an idea of what should be included?
 
EXPO67 said:
chill out Paul?? When people like sylvain spout off utter nonesense and attack 60s garage collectors I'm affraid the gloves will come off on here. Go find yourself a hippie Forum if you want love, peace and understanding.
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Granted Sylvain was foolish to say a great deal of what he said, but it all got too heavy, it all resembled some kid getting kicked on the floor.

although there were some moments of pure hilarity throughout the posting, including Sylvain's original rant and some of Moptop and Bosshoss' out right genius humour.

I personally feel it just got way out of hand... as we all know these "cheaply" made cash-in comps are always gonna be made... it sucks but that is a reality.

I'm still trying to find a hippy forum, yet to find it.


Paul
 
paul messis said:
Granted Sylvain was foolish to say a great deal of what he said, but it all got too heavy, it all resembled some kid getting kicked on the floor.

although there were some moments of pure hilarity throughout the posting, including Sylvain's original rant and some of Moptop and Bosshoss' out right genius humour.

I personally feel it just got way out of hand... as we all know these "cheaply" made cash-in comps are always gonna be made... it sucks but that is a reality.

I'm still trying to find a hippy forum, yet to find it.

Paul
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Most of us around these parts aren't into Hippies...In the 70's I had hair down to my ass, I never was a hippie. If you're waiting for hippies to show up around here, you may have a bit of a wait.:oops: Although, when all those vegatarians turned up yesterday, maybe I was wrong:oops:
 
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