NEW COMP: REVENGE '66 lim. edn (300) 60s garage LP

Frantic said:
Most of us around these parts aren't into Hippies...In the 70's I had hair down to my ass, I never was a hippie. If you're waiting for hippies to show up around here, you may have a bit of a wait.:oops: Although, when all those vegatarians turned up yesterday, maybe I'm wrong:oops:
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Joey, I've been vegetarian for the best part of two decades for animal welfare reasons. IMO, animals have the same rights as any human being (apart from guys like sylvain). I was delighted to know that other members of this Forum are also vegetarian.

Not everyone wants to go shooting bears with Sarah Palin...:cool:
 
Guess I'll throw my two cents in and that's all it is. My two cents. I don't buy comps. I have little to no interest in them. I prefer a burned disc or in the old days a cassette of friends finds, radio shows, etc... that kind of thing. Where I diverge from this stance is unreleased material, label retrospectives, regional samplers, and I don't want them on CD. Actually, pretty much no one does. Except those who invested in making CD's a part of their permanent collection 30 years ago. And labels loved them because the mark up verses manufacturing cost generated a great profit. The tide has shifted, actually "did" shift back several years ago. I've said it before and I'll say it again, ACE has some of the best product on the market. Well researched, fantastic sound, great pics. Everything the collectors of this genre demand. Everything except their preferred format. That's why Cookie is being booted. That's why there is currently a briskly selling boot of Dean Carter's "I got a girl". Ignoring this very important element of garage collecting is equally as absurd as ignoring standards for sound quality, band and label research and so on. For the record I will say that "revenge 66" is idiotic. A comp aimed at casual listeners not collectors... That costs $30? The thing about this that pisses me off is that it's aimed at an audience that I despise. Johnny-cum-lately with more disposable income than he deserves and no taste whatsoever. I'm not saying that's who made this comp. I'm saying that's the most likely person to buy it, at $30, with little or no info, in bad sound, hand numbered. Absurd. That said, if someone issued a boot of all the Milky Way stuff, I would buy it. They would be offering me something that the original compiler refused me.
 
legbarecords said:
That said, if someone issued a boot of all the Milky Way stuff, I would buy it. They would be offering me something that the original compiler refused me.
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So when it gets booted and then Ace (who is puttin' out more and more vinyl) sees that the boot will hurt/kill sales and decides not to release it, wouldn't that boot then piss you off???
 
legbarecords said:
I've said it before and I'll say it again, ACE has some of the best product on the market. Well researched, fantastic sound, great pics. Everything the collectors of this genre demand. That said, if someone issued a boot of all the Milky Way stuff, I would buy it. They would be offering me something that the original compiler refused me.
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So Ace has some of the best product but you would still buy a boot of the stuff they own??? Your 2 cents mean nothing to me.:mad:
 
If I remember correctly your response to my complaint a few years ago on this subject was "the guy who owns ACE has been doing this for years. I think he knows what he's doing;)." Just a smug "we know what we're doing" quip. ACE is now putting out more and more vinyl. Great. If they issue some of their CD only back catalog I'll be first in line to purchase it but giving bootleggers a five or six year jump on delivering what 90% of your customer base wants is a colossal blunder don't you think? Probably not though, clearly "you know what you're doing". I read all the posts and this is Sylvain's only valid argument as most everything else was sub-moronic. Would I prefer a legit vinyl issue? Of course. Has ACE offered me one? zilch.
 
Frantic said:
So Ace has some of the best product but you would still buy a boot of the stuff they own??? Your 2 cents mean nothing to me.:mad:
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Why not? I already fucking gave ACE their money. And purchased music that I want in a format that I detest.
It's called capitalism you right wing wind bag. And ignoring what your customer wants means your not very good at it. It also means that someone else will make a buck on your smug igonrance. Right or wrong. It's a fact.
 
Every label I know including my label Frantic sees the writing on the wall and are ramping up their vinyl releases as we speak. Just 'cause you want the MILKY WAY Story on vinyl right now and can't wait for ACE to re-release it, doesn't mean they are going to drop everything for you right now to get it out. These things take a lot of money and time. Aren't you in some punk band? If so, how would you like it if someone booted your stuff???
 
legbarecords said:
Why not? I already fucking gave ACE their money. And purchased music that I want in a format that I detest.
It's called capitalism you right wing wind bag. And ignoring what your customer wants means your not very good at it. It also means that someone else will make a buck on your smug igonrance. Right or wrong. It's a fact.
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Another thing, I've bought some releases over and over again (example Stooges catalog) I've bought that stuff like 6 times. Each time they got better. So I've given them my money 6 times. SO FUCKIN' WHAT!!! It has nothing to do with ignoring the customer, it has to do with common sense and the bottom line...Now that's capitalism. Ace has been churning this stuff out for over 30 years and they only get better with time. If you'd have a little patience you'll eventually get what you want!!!!!!!!!
 
Frantic said:
Every label I know including my label Frantic sees the writing on the wall and are ramping up their vinyl releases as we speak. Just 'cause you want the MILKY WAY Story on vinyl right now and can't wait for ACE to re-release it, doesn't mean they are going to drop everything for you right now to get it out. These things take a lot of money and time. Aren't you in some punk band? If so, how would you like it if someone booted your stuff???
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I think the answer here is painfully obvious, and the crux of my argument. Why won't anyone boot my legit releases Joey? Because no one wants them? Because they're afraid of a lawsuit? No Joey. It's because I gave them what they wanted in the first place. Legit vinyl releases of everything I've ever recorded. Being early to the game and delivering a quality product is huge. Taking into consideration the buying habits of your intended consumer is also key. And that consumer is not just impatient old me as you so skillfully assumed. You see, this shows your hand in a nutshell. Glad you're seeing the writing on the wall. Too bad the writing is 30 years old.
 
legbarecords said:
Guess I'll throw my two cents in and that's all it is. My two cents. I don't buy comps. I have little to no interest in them. I prefer a burned disc or in the old days a cassette of friends finds, radio shows, etc... that kind of thing.
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legbarecords said:
Why not? I already fucking gave ACE their money. And purchased music that I want in a format that I detest.
It's called capitalism you right wing wind bag. And ignoring what your customer wants means your not very good at it. It also means that someone else will make a buck on your smug igonrance. Right or wrong. It's a fact.
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So just so I have this straight. You don't buy comps but YOU ALREADY GAVE ACE THEIR MONEY. I don't get it.
 
legbarecords said:
I think the answer here is painfully obvious, and the crux of my argument. Why won't anyone boot my legit releases Joey? Because no one wants them? Because they're afraid of a lawsuit? No Joey. It's because I gave them what they wanted in the first place. Legit vinyl releases of everything I've ever recorded. Being early to the game and delivering a quality product is huge. Taking into consideration the buying habits of your intended consumer is also key. And that consumer is not just impatient old me as you so skillfully assumed. You see, this shows your hand in a nutshell. Glad you're seeing the writing on the wall. Too bad the writing is 30 years old.
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You assume all people want records and not cds. I have 20,000 cds and other than you guys on this forum I don't know anyone who collects records only cds and they are pissed that downloads are taking over. So it's a 2 way street buddy. When Norton started putting out Lp only releases I was upset but not at them just the circumstances. They gotta do what they gotta do...
 
Typical. Try high lighting the entire comment next time and you'll be able to answer your own questions. Here's the rest of that comment.

"Where I diverge from this stance is unreleased material, label retrospectives, regional samplers, and I don't want them on CD"

ACE gave me no option to purchase this and other releases that I bought from them in the last ten years on vinyl. This means I only listen to them in my car. i'm not about to go to BEST BUY in 2011 to buy a fucking CD player for my house. Know why? Only a handful of labels have refused to make vinyl available. Yes, capitalism is about Common sense(give them what they want) and the bottom line(make a profit). Unfortunately you are speaking with someone who has released many records so you don't have a leg to stand on with either of these arguments being valid in your case. Sorry. Try again.
 
legbarecords said:
Unfortunately you are speaking with someone who has released many records so you don't have a leg to stand on with either of these arguments being valid in your case. Sorry. Try again.
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Did you release all or any of your lp's on cd?
 
Frantic said:
You assume all people want records and not cds. I have 20,000 cds and other than you guys on this forum I don't know anyone who collects records only cds and they are pissed that downloads are taking over. So it's a 2 way street buddy. When Norton started putting out Lp only releases I was upset but not at them just the circumstances. They gotta do what they gotta do...
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and what is it exactly that they gotta do... ?

Give their customers the format they desire and ditch the format that no one buys. What a novel idea. Or I guess you could call it capitalism. Or maybe "you" wouldn't.

Glad the Dean Carter was legit(cause I sure did buy it) but sad that it's not on ACE, with 15 of the other choicest unreleased cuts, with great liner notes and photos, that coincided with the release of the complete MILKY WAY masters... years ago. "I see the writing on the wall" is no substitute for "yeah, we missed the boat", "yes, I smuggly dismissed your statement of the obvious 5 years ago", "the chioce to make these releases available on vinyl was a miss step that we are now mending" or even "yeah, I'm just kind of a prick like that". Talk of "writing on the wall" projects the image that you are rolling with the upcoming punches. Alas, if you just realized that garage fans want records, the punches are rolling with you.
 
As to capitalism, we all know V/A artists comps don't sell much on vinyl. At
this stage, V/A CDs still do OK, I guess. And we all know it costs more to
manufacture vinyl. You rag on Ace because they didn't do this, or other comps on
vinyl - but why would they sink there money into something that will only sell a
couple of hundred at most?.I know for a fact that Alec has begged Ace to do
vinyl for years on the garage stuff, but it's only very, very recently that
there has become a bit more of a market beyond the hardcore garage vinyl people.
Besides, he, I, Tim Warren,. Billy Miller and all the other kool people on this
forum who produce comps are focused on getting the good shit out, not worrying
about whether they have catered to the format nazis.

But the bigger point - how am I gonna buy comp I know is legit, mastered from
the best sources etc A CD that costs $15-$20, or an LP with a third less running
time and costs $30 or more just because its "limited"? I just want the music,
fer chrissakes. If it's also available on vinyl for you, great. Do you love the music? Will you'll ignore it unless it's on yer beloved vinyl?
 
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Frantic said:
Did you release all or any of your lp's on cd?
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Sure did. When people wanted them. Loads of them. At their fucking zenith still only slightly above vinyl record sales. and that was a very small window of time in the continuum of garage record collecting. Now, not so much but enough to service the CD buying public. Do you detect a trend in my thinking? Look at it hard. It'll come to you.
 
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