Reproduction / boot garage 45 list

That 7 Dwarfs mess again! This is all great additional info - I'll check my copy when I get home. It's pressed on quite heavy vinyl and the label is centered + a slightly darker kinda mustard yellow than the ones on these scans. It may still be a boot of course, but it really looks and feels like a 60's pressing... but then again the fact that I got it pretty cheap from UK says 'bootleg' though...

Ha ha ha.... that also depends on when you bought it. It is a record that after Wigan was frowned upon. "How could they have possibly danced to a record made by white people" was the cry of the scene from the mid eighties onward. You may have got an original that one of the old Wigan crowd was off loading cheap to save shaming his family name. ha ha ha
 
I guess that's why you could buy them in mint condition for $3.00 in the mid 80s. The Burning Bush on Contact started turning up cheap at that time as well. Thanks Keb !
 
Keb, not doubting your accounts regarding the 7 Dwarfs 45, but it has been my experience when investing NS 45 originals vs boots that there is a lot of chicanery and falsehoods that are taken for gospel as accurate, when, in fact, several examples are anything but.

Regarding the 7 Dwarfs - the only copies I ever saw (and I saw a LOT of them in the USA) are the super-thin / label off-center pressings. I bought one in a batch if 45s from a US dealer in 1981. It reeked of being fake, an idea that came to light when I met a collector who was 20 years older than I at that time - he had a perfectly centered, deep yellow label 7 Dwarfs on Ideal with dark black print. And it was only in VG condition. He said he found it when digging at one of the Pittsburgh, PA record shops many year earlier. This collector has since passed on, but he had amazing 45s, including many Texas garage 45 monsters. (R.I.P BE)

Other than this copy, I NEVER saw this thicker press, deep yellow label F/W pressing until one of my collector pals found a 7 Dwarfs band member in the early 90s. According to him, only 200-300 copies were pressed. He said that he had 5 or 6 left in his closet, and he only wanted to part with one copy of the 45. The copy he sent had perfect centered labels, but with dark black print. When we compared it to the off-center label pressing, it was not the same, obviously. Going by my experience, the off-center label 45s outnumber the centered labels. Now, I would not be surprised to find that centered label pressings exist which are also boots. These would have the black text not as sharp / sort of "faded".

I don't claim to be an expert on the NS scene in the '70s, but based on conversations with some long time collectors, and logic regarding pressing plant codes, there were a few guys other than the shyster Simon Soussan who would take an original pressing and make new pressings BUT pass them off in their sales or mail order lists as originals. Everyone was eager to purchase scene hip 45s in the mid 70s, and how would anyone know different variants, pressings, etc? You were at the mercy of the seller!

I am still amazed that some NS collectors claim the Alexander Patton Capitol label stock copy 45 that has the title on 2 lines is the "boot pressing". I had found 5 copies sitting in a Massachusetts warehouse from a guy who bought out three AM radio stations on the east cost (MA and NH). All had hand written radio station dates on the labels, with the title printed on two lines - a Scranton PA manufactured Capitol label pressing. According to the grand poohbah Manship, such pressings are bootlegs unless the title is printed on a single line space (actually the west coast pressings).

Also, in the first edition of Tim Brown's price guide, he has a pictoral array of "oddball NS pressings". Many of these are 1970s repressings / boots. I know for a fact that I got burned badly 15 years ago, buying the Age Of Bronze 45 on Guava, "I'm Gonna Love You", it was the thin vinyl yellow label pressing from Frankford Wayne in PA - had the hand-etched F/W in the deadwax. This pressing is truly a '70s boot made to be passed off as an original pressing in the '70s. I have no idea who the culprit was but the only original is the styrene brown label ZTSC Columbia custom pressing. Yet, NS collectors are a stubborn bunch, when you try to tell them they have been buying and filing boots. Manship will protect NS legend above and beyond telling the truth - he's got an agenda.

There are lot of these F/W 45s repressed in the '70s. I think some enterprising guy here in the states took the 7 Dwarfs 45 and had a bunch repressed and passed them off as originals. I'll bet there are at least 1,000 of the off-center labels out in collections. The drummer for the 7 Dwarfs claimed to have never seen these pressings when the 45 came out in early 1968.

The modus operandi of the northern scene is to protect "legend" even if it can be proved as false. Especially when it comes to valuable 45s. How about the Frankie Beverly Rouser 45? That HAD to pressed in the early '70s in a limited number and sold as a collector issue, a bonafide fake to be presented as the "pre Fairmount" release. Unless someone can present documentation from the fall of 1966 that shows Fairmount acquired "Because Of My Heart" from an independent pressing, well, you won't convince me that Rouser 1017 is an authentic 1966 pressing.

There are other examples of these pressed after the fact 45s that are commonly accepted as originals, but I am boring the hell out of the G 45 crowd as it is!
 
My copy above is obviously a centred boot: it has the smudged "e" in Dame, as well as a wonky "I" in BMI. It also appears to be a styrene pressing as the edges are squared.
 
Aye Mike. I know Soussan used to press things up, pass a few off to the DJ's as an original of a new discovery, then flood the scene with the rest of the copies six months later. No doubt some more trusted individuals did the same, and got away with it. I was only 19 when I got my 7 Dwarfs, and would have been totally ignorant of these naughty goings on. If mine is a boot, (and you now have me thinking it probably is) then I must say whoever did it did a much better job of the sound than most of the stuff at the time.
 
Aye Mike. I know Soussan used to press things up, pass a few off to the DJ's as an original of a new discovery, then flood the scene with the rest of the copies six months later. No doubt some more trusted individuals did the same, and got away with it. I was only 19 when I got my 7 Dwarfs, and would have been totally ignorant of these naughty goings on. If mine is a boot, (and you now have me thinking it probably is) then I must say whoever did it did a much better job of the sound than most of the stuff at the time.

Martin Koppel can you please step into the dock, we have some questions regarding underhand practices you may have been involved in during the mid seventies.
 
sorry, was that all the boots have "F/W" scratched in, not stamped, while the originals have F/W stamped, or was it the other way around?!

All the chaps who think they have originals say the F/W is scratched in. None have seen a copy with it stamped in. However after Mike's story above I am doubting if the first batch to turn up (before the accepted flood of bootlegs) in the mid seventies were actually originals.
 
RE: 7 Dwarfs - AKAIK this record was pressed/recorded/mastered by Gateway in Pittsburgh, the original should have common markings to other Gateway records. Pittsburgh is the boot/counterfeit record capitol in the US, so it is very possible the record was booted locally there, and another run of boots was made for the Northern Soul market. MTM - thanks for mentioning old time collector BE, been a long time since I thought about him.

RE: Frankie Beverly - all the people I talked to acknowledge the Fairmount release was the first press and that the Rouser came second. The Rouser also edits "Because of My Heart" - I dunno if the flip is edited, I have the Fairmount, don't give a crap about the Rouser, it's a window dressing record for me. The weird thing about this for me is that a label called Rouser - a legit label from Washington DC - re-released the 45 by the El Corols "Chick Chick" (originally released on their own Tiny label) - and - the Rouser release edits both songs! I can''t claim the Rouser with Frankie Beverly is the same as the Rouser for the El Corols (there was another 45 on Rouser that looks just like the El Corols), although most collectors seem to think so.

RE: F/W - On legit records this is used to mean a record was mastered/pressed by Frankford/Wayne in Philadelphia. F/W did a lot of custom pressings with distinct graphics and a numbering system based on date. All F/W markings are scratched, I don't recall ever seeing something that looks like a typeface stamp