UNKNOWN NEW ORLEANS GARAGE 45 JIM JOY JAZZTOWN PRODUCTION (DR. SPEC'S) INFERNO 102 THE REAL BOBBY RE

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This 45 was produced by Jim Joy and has the same Jazztown credit as the Dr. Specs 45 on Flambeau 103. This is INFERNO 102 and seems to proceed the Flambeau 45. Artist is The Real Bobby Reno, "Crying Of The Storm" b/w "The Frog". I would like to get some opinions on the two tracks. Here are the links....These are not the original links posted here. I remade them using my usb turntable so sound quality would be better.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bIGYQRBbKP8
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=s_QghswFxv8
 

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They DO sound a lot better. I DL'd the old vids from YT and tried playing with the sound in Audacity but these sound way better. Any chance of getting a flac or mp3 file?
 
My take, a bit of a diatribe:

The Real Bobby Reno was a DJ in New Orleans. Real being a common co-opt identity from the incredibly successful west-coast Top 40 AM radio DJ, the Real Don Steele.

I think this record is mediocre. I've heard it before, a collector friend has it. And I've seen a few copies, some on ebay, but not in recent times. It certainly is not anywhere in the Dr. Specs collector wanted league, a killer 2-sider 45, long known about plus extremely difficult to find - in any condition.
Just because a record seems obscure with a half-decent guitar break does not equate to potential high value. I know some 50s group harmony / doo-wop collector guys who find obscure 60s records and hype them to me as really good or killer garage. 999 times out of 1,000 the 45s they hype are nothing more than oddball label slabs of mediocrity and junk.

If I were trying to sell this disc, I'd let the marketplace decide instead of placing a dream value on it and hoping for the best. Having been actively collecting since the late 1970s, I kinda have a good idea of what is rare and what is obscure (BIG difference between these two collecting terms). Whenever someone turns up a 45 they have never seen before, sounds good (to their ears), and no information can be located (no on-line sales, etc), well, the disease of the dollar sign clouds their logic. They are "Worried", not wanting to sell the 45 too cheaply.

I offer:
How can one be 'worried' that the final auction price would be 'too low' if you cannot place a realistic value on it?
 
Sense we seen to have moved into the realm of personal opinion...this is what I would like to say...That was a scathing review of the Bobby Reno record but music and value aside it's the rarity that concerns me. The only thing I would say is you are far ahead of us all here in New Orleans. Myself and all of the local collectors and dealers I contacted felt this to be an extremely rare record. One would think, if you, from another state, are so familiar with it, then surely one of us who have lived in New Orleans our entire lives would have certainly seen just one copy. I also posted it on a certain "secret" Facebook page where members there had never seen it. We, here in New Orleans, agreed that no more than 300 would have been pressed at the time. To know that you are so familiar with this 45 makes us seem, well, off our game. Of course we are all familiar with bobby, who is still at WTIX. I rang him this morning but he wasn't in. I'm waiting for him to get back to me so I can get some info about the pressing number and the session. Again, it just makes no sense, that in all our collective years of digging, myself and many others here locally, and throughout the state, would not have found one of these being that it's no more than, as you said, an obscurity. I wonder if you could point me in the right direction. Not only can I not find any prior sales but after searching in many different ways through Google....I'm coming up completely empty...it's odd that a record which has even been on eBay multiple times....is not coming up at all when searched for...maybe you can find some info on it and send it to me. How many have you seen exactly? You say there is a BIG difference in a 45 being rare and obscure....just out of curiosity....where are you drawing the line...please...please...help me out with some concrete info on this...I would really hate to call just an obscure record as rare as I am claiming this to be. By the way I believe you know some of the other local guys I would have run this by....I am friends with all of the big collectors here but would rather not metion there names. Wow...I'm still amazed that you know this record....and we here have never seen it...I tip my hat to you sir, and I'm sure the other local collectors who have no knowledge of the 45 will do so also.
 
My review is not scathing (?), I only stated that I find it mediocre to my ears. Now, mediocre doesn't equate to lousy! That is something else entirely.
I certainly would never classify it as a great or killer garage 45. And I'm sure other 60's garage 45 collectors would agree with this assessment. At the time I compiled Teenbeat Mayhem, I didn't find the Bobby Reno disc to be worth listing. My guess is that if I did list it, the song "Crying Of A Storm" would have rated as a 2 ,3 or 4 out of a possible 10.

The reason you can't find archived sales of the Bobby Reno 45 is that no auction archival website:
a- goes back far enough year-wise
b - many records sell for $20 or less, or do not sell at all. None of these are archived.

I know I've seen the Bobby Reno 45 listed on ebay in the past. Maybe it had no bidders? Maybe it only sold for $10? I cannot recall specifics. "Never listed on ebay" is most often a myth.

Records are not exclusively found native to their locale - It is hardly unusual for a local label or vanity pressed 45 to turn up hundreds of miles away, years later (my collector friend found his copy up here in the northeast USA. He may not even have it anymore in his collection).

I have gone on about the misuse of the term rare before on G 45 and other websites to deaf ears, but....
(I am speaking from a 60s garage / psych 45 standpoint, however, this concept can certainly apply to other collecting genres):

Rare = the record must be actively sought after and in demand by the majority of active collectors who specialize in the genre, often for a decade or even longer, with very few copies, if any having turned up during that time.

Scarce = an obscure 45, something unheard & unknown to all except perhaps a very few. Values affixed are usually widely random and variable. These 45s may fall prey to documented overhype - subsequent copies that come forward are priced the same. From what I've witnessed, the high asking price 45s do not sell for anywhere near the original auction price or asking price, if they sell at all. And the misguided seller will not budge on his asking price, thinking the 45 is worth what he cannot possibly sell it for. Of course, there are some shrewd dealer types who can coax the dollars from trusting collector types via hype, manipulation, etc. Another subject for another time.

I can't count the number of times I paw thru dealer boxes, auction lists, sales lists or even ebay...and i see the same 45 for the same price. Month after month. Year after YEAR! Nothing is ever marked down accordingly. Do these folks really WANT to sell their 45s?
I guess not.

Whenever I come across a big ticket opening bid price on an obscure , musically mediocre 45 tagged as "garage" by a seller, I wonder if the seller is just being greedy, paranoid, or both. The realistic rationale for these kinds of 45s is to set a low opening bid (with a reserve if you really think someone would pay an astronomical price). Then watch the bids roll in, or not. The marketplace decides.

Now, if the Bobby Reno 45 is tagged / known as a "teener" 45 to that crowd, well, that's not my area of expertise at all. I would not know a monster teen record from a mediocre or lousy one in terms of teen 45 collectibility.
And I certainly cannot vouch for a realistic value aspect concerning local New Orleans record collectors who file any kind of 45 as long as it has provenance to the area. It just might be worth four figures to a New Orleans 45rmp archivist / collector.
 
Maybe I'm just confused or completely missing the point....there is no information on this 45 or the track "Crying Of The Storm" ANYWHERE ONLINE...it's not mentioned in any price guide nor has anyone ever even refrenced it in an article, comment or blog....sales are stored on popsike from 2003 to 2016....and if it had been on eBay say 6 or 7 times there would surely be some mention of it when you do a Google keyword search...I don't know...I'm just trying to understand your complete disregard for these facts...honestly, since I read your first reply, I've been trying to figure out why you seen to want to completely lowball, and disregard, a pretty good record with a nice guitar break...no it's no Specs...but it's still a decent garage record which seems to be extremely rare and virtually unknown...and that's not just my opinion. As far as records not being Found in their locale....if there were any copies of this to be found one of us here in New Orleans would have come up with just one single copy...I'm sure you are aware of how hard and heavy we dig records here...and we all missed this record? To me that says very few pressed and very few survived...there are to many great collectors and dealers in this city for us to have no knowledge of this record if there was knowledge to be had.
 
Maybe I'm just confused or completely missing the point....there is no information on this 45 or the track "Crying Of The Storm" ANYWHERE ONLINE...it's not mentioned in any price guide nor has anyone ever even refrenced it in an article, comment or blog....

It has an entry in the third series of Catalog of Copyright Entries. It could confirm that this song
was NOT written by the dudes on the label credit, but a song just "stolen" overdubbed and
gotten new credits.

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Richard was a member of the Better Half Dozen.

Again, crescentcityrecords, you are spinning my comments.
I stated that the Bobby Reno 45

1 - Is not garage sounding IMO - A borderline disc at best.
More appropriate to a teener record category with a decent guitar break. The chicks in the background are a detriment, a typical production ingredient heard on teener pop records recorded during the '60s. And it sounds like his other 45s I've heard, minus the guitar break. I think there are far better 45s of any genre to spend over a grand on, and that's just my opinion.

2 - I think it is medicore. Average. I never implied that it is lousy or terrible. I've had it on tape since the early 1990s so I'm quite familiar with it. I'd buy a copy for $20-40.

3 - Not every record ever offered on ebay will show up archived. Records I have won from 2005 do not show up. Ditto for records when I first got on-line in 1998.

4- To achieve a realistic value, the 45 should be auctioned with a low starting bid, like $20. Put a reserve on it if you want to make sure you do not sell it for less than what you want it to sell for). If the record achieves your price, congratulations.

5 - With all of the weather disasters that occur in the area, I would imagine lots of locally pressed records are lost forever that would have been plentiful in past decades, if not ones that occasionally surfaced.

I can immediately think of a 45 from my locale no one has ever seen. Over 40 years looking for many of the collectors. No copies. The drummer for the group claims to own a copy of every record he's played on. None of the other surviving members have a copy. Nearly all of the 45s on the record label are group harmony R&B, teeners, or rock & roll rockers. All of them have turned up in the past, except this 45. The instrumental rocker side is pretty good, tho nothing that would rival tracks on the Strummin' Mental series of comps. The group harmony side, I have no idea.
So, it is worth $1,000? More? Maybe to a local collector - we know how rare it is. I wouldn't pay that much for it, regardless.

For a disc to command over $1000 these days (sell), there has to be a regular demand for, and knowledge of it to the collectors you are trying to interest (garage guys & gals). People have to want it but there are scant few copies available. The second absolute applies to the Bobby Reno 45, according to your research. But not the other part.
 
I have the Bobby Reno 45 listed in my price guide. It's on page 308 for those who own the book. I have owed a copy for years and I feel it is a good, obscure record. In my opinion, it does not merit a high value as it isn't the kind of sound that a lot of garage collectors would be interested in. For garage archivists , however, its a cool record to own. Nice to now know where it's from.
 
'Crying of the Storm' is by no means a classic, but I do think it's TBM worthy (I rated countless worse records for the book). I'd score it a 4.
 
I give it a 3. Nice shimmering guitar, but nothing else really to recommend. In my opinion, worth maybe $75 in nice condition, considering rarity. This value estimate applies for a general collector of garage 45s such as myself, not a region-specific collector focusing on New Orleans. Such a collector could probably be induced to pay more.

I checked the value using the online G45 Oracle,

http://www.g45central.com/g45/Oracle/G45Oracle.html

using the following values
Side A - 3, Side B - 2, Rarity - 9, Legend - 1, Artifact - 0
Computed value = $105.
Once again the G45 Oracle proves its infallibility.

It's probably best described as garage or pop. Its omission from TBM is not surprising, as there are plenty of mediocre, semi-decent, borderline-garage records out there that are not included for stylistic reasons (inclusion of horns, "square" vocals, etc). You have to draw the line somewhere.
 
I'd give it a 2 or 3, the band is OK, singer lacks the teen style we like, and lyrics (I presume inspired by Hurricane Betsy, too early for Hurricane Camille) I am not into at all.
 
Not really a masterpiece but I kept a copy for my La. "novelty"
box where it resides with Mowhawk & The Rednecks, The
Connoisseurs 'Count Macabre' and Jeb & Cousin Easy. Not
exactly a Back From The Grave-worthy playlist there, kids.

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Glad that you shred this. Even though the vocalist sounds like he's had lessons, it's quite forgivable seeing as though there's a great tremolo and treble guitar.