what happened after 1970 ?

[Frantic]

Or the end of the mid-60s.

Wouldn't that be the LATTER HALF of the mid-60s? :confused:wth

 

[EXPO67]

I think the late 60s is post Sgt Pepper.
After that album was released nothing was the same anymore.

 

[tom kirby]

Wouldn't that be the LATTER HALF of the mid-60s? :confused:wth

Yeah, but Boss is right as it pertains to this conversation. It's useless to argue in specifics. Change doesn't happen at a specific moment. One could say that the mid-60s ended at 12:01 January 1, 1967 and be technically right. Cream was considered part of the British Invasion in the mid-60s, right? But in this conversation they were to late to have influenced the music that was earlier in the British Invasion in the mid-60s.

 

[beccabear67]

There was a big shift in the guitar sounds with Clapton and Hendrix, but it seems impossible to put a date on that becoming influential. A lot of ears perked apparently with that Blues Breakers LP including Hendrixs and Lennons/Harrisons. However, maybe Dave Davies started that direction, or even Link Wray (Rumble as a ground zero for 'punk'/D.I.Y.)? I think of the feedback soloing thing as being the turning point of something along with the underground Pink Floyd and Soft Machine thing becoming profitable. Maybe by defining what something is not... blues-boogie hippy commune groups are not in the garage ('cause they're on the bus)?

I guess this is why there are now so many books about popular music. :)

 

[Frantic]

Cream was considered part of the British Invasion in the mid-60s, right?

I would think that Cream came along too late in the day to be considered a British Invasion band. They were not in the 1st wave.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_British_Invasion_artists

 

[tom kirby]

I would think that Cream came along too late in the day to be considered a British Invasion band. They were not in the 1st wave.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_British_Invasion_artists

No, but they were in the defined mid-60s time range. They came along to late to influence the early "wave", but they are either in the mid-60s scope and British Invasion or they weren't. So far, this conversation has included them in on both parts. Or are you saying that the time frames don't really count? And, that there is no real beginning or end to what is considered mid-60s?

 

[Frantic]

No, but they were in the defined mid-60s time range. They came along to late to influence the early "wave", but they are either in the mid-60s scope and British Invasion or they weren't. So far, this conversation has included them in on both parts. Or are you saying that the time frames don't really count? And, that there is no real beginning or end to what is considered mid-60s?

I'm just saying that CREAM is not part of the British Invasion. Cream's 1st LP was released in Jan. 1967 in the U.S. Too late for the British Invasion. That's all I'm saying.

 

[beccabear67]

Jeez, now I'm wondering if The Graham Bond Organization were British Invasion? The Yardbirds sure were. Spencer Davis Group = invaders, Traffic = not? Animals = invaders, Groundhogs - not? Got to get out that old Bomp issue, it'll straighten me out!

 

[tom kirby]

Well, OK, their music hit the States in January 67. But 12 hours later than Aus., so I'm talking about those 12 hours : )

 

[Frantic]

Well, OK, their music hit the States in January 67. But 12 hours later than Aus., so I'm talking about those 12 hours : )

Even if it was released months earlier, they still wouldn't be part of the British Invasion. In other words...THE FIRST WAVE.

 

[tom kirby]

I see that. But, they were still a very influencial piece of the music of the 60s even if they missed the mid-60s by a matter of seconds, minutes, hours, days or a month. Frantic, can you define the dates of the "first wave" Invasion and the "second wave" Invasion for me, please. I assume that the second wave consists of bands such as the Cream, Hendrix, Deep Purple for example. And, how does "Garage Rock" overlap the 2. Or is "Garage" mostly derived of bands 64, 65 and 66?

 

[Frantic]

Dude...You said Cream was part of the British Invasion in a earlier post. All I'm doing is try to convince you that they weren't. Cream would have been in the 2nd wave along with Pink Floyd. Hendrix is not British so he doesn't fit. I know his band is but he isn't. I'm done talking to you about the early,mid or late 60's. It's boring. Boss perfectly explained where the 60s sub eras began and ended. I would refer to his post as the definitive breakdown.

 

[tom kirby]

Sorry you took it that way. I said I agreed that they were not. I was asking the other stuff because I just want to know how it all fits. I am not a historian of the era, just a player in a band that played a small part of something. Didn't you have to learn how it all came together. I only want to understand things you all are talking about. I thought the best way was to ask. So sorry, I will ask no more.

 

[Frantic]

Sorry you took it that way. I said I agreed that they were not. I was asking the other stuff because I just want to know how it all fits. I am not a historian of the era, just a player in a band that played a small part of something. Didn't you have to learn how it all came together. I only want to understand things you all are talking about. I thought the best way was to ask. So sorry, I will ask no more.

Once again....go read BossHoss's post. The breakdown is fantabulous!

 

[axel]

The 2nd wave of British Invasion- I never heard of that, but it makes total sense to me.
If you see the dropped jaws in the audience at Monterrey watching The Who and Jimi Hendrix, you know what the 2nd Invasion was all about...

 

[tom kirby]

None of the breakdowns or terminologies you all use existed back when I played, which was 50 years ago. The only mid-60s I'm acutely aware of and rapidly approaching is my own. I don't mean to be a "bore", I just want to understand things I read on here.

 

[Frantic]

The 2nd wave of British Invasion- I never heard of that, but it makes total sense to me.
If you see the dropped jaws in the audience at Monterrey watching The Who and Jimi Hendrix, you know what the 2nd Invasion was all about...

I didn't mean it was the 2nd wave of the British Invasion, just that it was a 2nd wave or 2nd generation of British bands to conquer the U. S. Unless they invaded America from late '63 to early '66 I don't think they qualify to be part of the British Invasion.

 

[danny havoc]

I appear to have opened a can of worms with this post!!! Thanks for your input everyone, I guess I was just trying to find out what happened between end of the era of great 60s rock before the coming of another guitar based, energetic basic rock n roll form called "punk". What the " bar band " scene was like. I wanted to know if young people just kept on rockin in their local clubs and bars without morphing into the current fad of the day.
I suppose I watched bands in bars and local venues in my late teen/ early 20s ( 1990-1996) and saw bands that would play ( to please their audience) a mix of say, 30 % current hits , 20 % recent stuff from the 1980s and 50 % classic rock from Beatles, Stones, Easybeats , Kinks, Them, Animals, Searchers.( if they didn't they would get schooner glasses thrown at their heads!!). Relatively little current fad music, their audience DEMANDED solid , danceable rock n roll.
Maybe because i come from this different era, its hard for me to imagine a bar/ local band in say 1971 only playing music from the last , say 4 -5 years, But i don't know, I wasn't there! I hope you could go and see a bar band that still rocked out in your home town, if not, the grim, meathook realities of the 1970s must have been particularly hard to tolerate.
I'm not meaning to denigrate or offend anyone who lived through this era, but the 1970s seemed brain-bendingly DIRE !!! I myself lived as a young person during an era of pointless, ugly, soul destroyingly bland music purveyed by humourless, idea-free, talent-deficient hacks ( ie 1986-1996 ) and I empathize with you.

I'm envious and disappointed that my formative teenage/20s years weren't filled with the powerful, meaningful, fun, crazy, dazzling, heart busting music the young people had from 1955-1969.

Vanilla Ice or Manfred Mann, Madonna or The Hollies, Billy Joel or The Sonics, Phil Collins or The Seeds, Bryan Adams or The Righteous Brothers.............................you get my drift!

 

[axel]

I didn't mean it was the 2nd wave of the British Invasion, just that it was a 2nd wave or 2nd generation of British bands to conquer the U. S. Unless they invaded America from late '63 to early '66 I don't think they qualify to be part of the British Invasion.

I know what you meant. The meaning and timeframe of "British Invasion" is clear. "2nd wave of British bands to conquer the US" is still a strong expression and applicable to the heavy impact of Hendrix and the Who in Monterrey.

 

[Dave Baldwin]

Rock historians have always lied. Rolling Stone lied. Lester Bangs was a liar. Greg Shaw - liar. Rock and roll is myth fantasy and fable (and I don't mean the prog / Roger Dean artwork / D&D stuff).

Bands made more money in the 1970s than the 1960s, at least until disco ruled. During the 1970s there were plenty of rock bands that played bars. The main difference that instead of teen (13-18) most places were 18 over as drinking age was 18. Many people made decent livings - as 'adults' living on their own, not teens living with parents - playing clubs. Records were not as relevant. Instead of DIY bands wanted to be signed to a big label and become rock stars for real. Punk brought back DIY in a big way but it was not gone from '70 to '77, as bands did release 45s and LPs on their own (a lot more LPs in the 70s than 60s). Some of these records got airplay on local radio, I heard several Cleveland/NE Ohio records on the radio back then, but not all of them.

A typical band in 1973 was not a lot different than 1966. You made money playing live, you played 2-3 sets a night, you played hits of the day mixed with some older songs. Playing 4-5 nights a week was possible for the top bands. Playing danceable stuff was relevant but not as much as the mid 60s. Bands had identities just like in the 1960s, there were Rolling Stones types, Led Zeppelin types, Who types, etc. Around 1974 there were Aerosmith and Kiss types. I'm not bothering to include the numerous prog and country rock bands.

I was in a band in 1973 when I was an undergrad student with a 60s-style instrumental line-up (two guitars/bass/drums/harmonica).
We played local taverns, frat parties, student bars and private parties. The pay was a joke (except for the frat events) but it was mostly fun.
The lead guitarist was pretty great and we played blues-based contemporary stuff like Savoy Brown, early Fleetwood Mac, Stones etc. The bass player was an older hippie who was still into Blue Cheer so we did things like "Babylon" and "Just A Little Bit", and I always pushed for a couple of Yardbirds oldies that I knew the harp parts for...so we did play some 60s material. As I recall, we only had a couple of original songs. The worst thing about it was that "Smoke On The Water" was a big FM hit then and we were usually coerced in playing it by the audience (although we all were sick to death of it). I usually had to sing it and shredded my voice doing it...which meant I was just banging away on my guitar until well into the last set of the night. The SIG TAU and TKE frat house beer blasts were the best...nobody was sober enough to tell when we fucked something up...lol