Wheelers And Dealers

captainsalty

Ikon Class
Joined
Apr 28, 2011
hey guys,

just wanted to start a thread about "interesting" record sellers or buyers.

the intention is not to bash or call out rip-off sellers or dumbo buyers, but to remember some interesting characters, now that faceless sites like ebay or discogs have taken a lot of the cake.
 
One dealer i have a lot of great memories of is ray peters of speed limit 45rpm.

sadly, he quit dealing a couple of years ago and also his website has vanished. no idea what happened to his massive stock.
he had great prices, and i remember sitting with sweaty hands readily on my mouse (look it up, kids) in front of my computer, updating his new stock site every 3 seconds.

chances are that when you buy a scuffy, scratchy OH 45 from me, i got it from ray. i got quite some wam's from him, most which i foolishly sold later. then i must have had 100 dick whittington cats 45s from him.

do you guys know what happened to him? such a friendly guy. hope he's alright.
 
Back when I was collecting power-pop and punk (and back when we ordered out of Goldmine magazine) I dealt with a guy named Chuck Cleaver.
It was always a great experience.
 
Chuck Warner's crammed, alphabetized lists were massively influential to me, though they hardly included records released before 1976. He still seemes an enthusiast to this day even after decades of dealing & curating comps - and not one but two house fires.

Also kept Byron Coley's thin Father Yod lists from the mid 90s as I enjoyed the descriptions and discovered obscure & great stuff in then, again no garage there.
 
I remember a gal selling a lot of cool 45's via Goldmine and crossing out the not for sale sign on promo issues.

Also Bill Nadolny a very good grader and very cheaply selling psych 45's. Must have bought a dozen Tom Dae Turned On I Shall Walk 45's off of him.

However the greatest dealer/collector in my opinion has to be the late Mike Kusiak, a fabulous guy to trade with and superb grading on his part, he truly was a garage hero and is sorely missed....

And then there was mr. Funk sr, great items not expensive then but a tuff person to deal with however my ex wife could do no harm with him and got along with him well in buying 45's from him. Weird at best.

Craig Moerer, fabulous 45's for sale and top grading.

Doug Hanners and David Shutt, selling the greatest garage 45's mostly focusing on Texas and also top graders.

So ends a memory of an old collector fart....
 
Lynn's Records in California had quantity on many garage 45s that you could win for $2 or under : Beckett Quintet, Poverty Five, What's Happening, Blue Onions, etc

John's Boy in Texas use to put out lists & always had a good selection. You could buy quantity on records like The Silver Fleet-Look Out World or the Royals-Confusion cheap.

Florida Rock had a great list. Always cheap stuff like the Evil I , Centuries, HMS Saints that he had small quantities of.
 
Probably the most helpful when I was just starting out buying by mail order / auction-sales lists was Jim Atwood.
Great selection, very fair prices. He once said I bid "too high" on a Fenton label 45 and reduced the bid price by half.
Jim still sells every once in a while on ebay; I've bought a few big items thru his auctions. He still has the bulk of his personal collection as well.

Guys I used to routinely buy 45s from via mail-order 1980s / early 1990s:
William P. Davis,
Paul Grenyo
Vic Figlar
Dave Foreman,
Ralph Sagmoe
Ralph Barton
Bob Landfield
Richard Minor
Ray Lord
Al Madden
Gail Anderson
Mike Michel
Worldwide Records
Lynn's Records
Rip Lay
Bill Pacquin
Lloyd Davis
Gary King

A few of these dealers are no longer with us. Some guys I dealt with 30-35 years ago are still actively buying and selling.

Re: Chuck Cleaver - I have his mail list auctions for #4 and #5. I believe #5 was his final list, in mid 1985.
Any old-timers here still have Chuck's earlier lists? Would love to see them. Ditto for any Doug Hanners / David Shutt lists, pre 1980. I have all of them after 1980.
 
I recently found an old letter from Jim Atwood. It was about arranging the deal for my purchase of my first copy of the Children of the Mushroom 45.

I couldn't even begin to list all the great LPs and 45s I got from Bill Paquin. He was a good friend who is really missed.

An interesting, but spotty source for 45s were the old Metro Music catalogs. The grading was beyond erratic, but just as a record graded Mint would be G+, a G+ record could be VG or VG+. And mixed in with the overpriced records, I scored Evil I and Cosmic Rock Show for $38 each. Both were examples of his erratic grading (G+ being much better, especially after cleaning).
I also loved the original Midnight catalogs from before they opened the store. They were mostly LPs, but also had a few singles sprinkled in, like Arrogance "An Estimation" ($18). Had no clue what it was, but it was probably my best purchase ever from them, except maybe when the store opened and I found a copy of the Beauregard LP on the wall on my first visit.

A couple of great sources for private press LPs were the GM ads of Randy Jadwin, Jim Allfrey, Lloyd Okaji (got one of his mid-80s lists I should scan and post , if there's interest), the Michelson Bros. aka Local Favorites and Chuck Warner when he was still doing the Kinkdom ads and catalogs. Bought my first C.A. Quintet from one of the lists. When I got heavily into punk & hardcore in the beginning of the 90s, those lists Gregor mentioned were like encyclopedias for me (in a way, they still are). Chuck's a great guy, and I always looked forward to catching him at FMU each year (though he missed the last one, probably because of dealing with the fires).
 
Venus Records in NYC used to be a great source for 45's that (back in the 90's) seemed hardish to come by. Their selection was massive and i never got to truly dig in there cuz the only times i ever went there was when my Maryland High School took our yearly field trip to the NYC art museums. Needless to say the yearly visits to Venus were the highlights of my early 90's teen years.

Just by coincidence, a couple years ago i became friends with an NYC collector about 10-15 years older than me who used to work at Venus in the 80's and 90's. When i decided to unload nearly all of my 45's back 2018 i sold them to this guy... who was probly sittin at the counter there seliin me some of those same obscure garage singles 25 years earlier, lol
 
At the Allentown show I also bought many 45's from Erik Lindgren, Rod Branham, Miriam Linna and Billy Miller, r.i.p.

I also bought some 45's thru the mail from Rod, including the small handful of original Fentons i used to have. I used to love his early 2000's lists
 
wanna mention frank merrill as well, probably the archetype of the nerdy record dealer. everytime his new list comes out, half of me wants to get right into the listings, the other half wants to digest his ramblings and read his "list introductions", like how many dinners he has had on that specific day:hihi:

i gotta say the fun with his list has declined with the appearance of barry's and mike's books and discogs. now, you'll hardly find a surprise or bargain among the listings.

also, you gotta love his filling system. it used to be not "first come, first served" but a highly complex system of trying to satisfy every inquirer as good as possible.
 
i also used to make some cool deals at annapolis music. but they are long gone as well.

another interesting tidbit: back in the glory days of ebay, there remained one forgotten treasure island in the bawdy seas of record collecting insanity: yahoo auctions singapore, of all places :yup:
there were only two garage bidders: me, and that other guy. and we fought it out bravely. (well, he had money to burn and i did not, so i took the breadcrumbs). i don't know what yahoo singapore auctions even was, and WHY it was even there (and why it had garage 45 listings), but i won some great bargains for the year or so it lasted.

bumping the ray peters (OH) question: do you guys know if he's still around?
 
There were some cats who were so "colorful" that the stories you can tell about them were as good as the records you managed score off them...
Joe Bussard
Mark Edmonds
Chris Peake
Jim Russell
Les Moss
Val Shively
Ralph Barton
John Bricker (the original Austin record "hoarder")

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Lynn's Records in California had quantity on many garage 45s that you could win for $2 or under : Beckett Quintet, Poverty Five, What's Happening, Blue Onions, etc

John's Boy in Texas use to put out lists & always had a good selection. You could buy quantity on records like The Silver Fleet-Look Out World or the Royals-Confusion cheap.

Florida Rock had a great list. Always cheap stuff like the Evil I , Centuries, HMS Saints that he had small quantities of.

Lynn's Records was often great in the 80s. Didn't he famously sell a clean copy of The Graveyard Five on Stanco for $5 once?
 
Mark's One Stop in Goldmine was the source for many garage 45s quantity finds: Soup Greens, The Endd, X-Cellents among others.
He had the Dovers-She's Not Just Anybody for $12 one time (unfortunately not a quantity find , when I called he said he just sold it)

I kinda liked Frank Merrill's system of filling orders. Even if you got his list late you'd get something good off your list. (Though later he would auction off records that he had too many requests for)

I could never get anything from any of the Texas lists. By the time I got them everything good was gone though you could second tier records like the Countdown Five, Homer, Brentwoods, etc