Another new sound system

Outside_Lookin_in said:
Electrons only move on the surface of a conductor - if I got it right - and silver tarnishes; but the oil in BCE might prevent tarnishing. I don't think BCE acts as a conductor (maybe a poor one), but rather it enhances conductivity in the conductors it's applied to.
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Copper will tarnish over time as well - I think I'd use a polish like Simichrome to clean either metal as much possible before applying the coating.
 
bosshoss said:
In a recent post, I reported that there was not much difference wherever you plugged the double adapters. I said something like :

plugged into the same socket as the stereo = 10
plugged into nearby socket in the same room = 9
plugged anywhere else in the house = 8

I have discovered for The Box, it is more like :

plugged into the same socket as the stereo = 20
plugged into nearby socket in the same room = 9
plugged anywhere else in the house = 8

I just tried it for the first time in the same outlet as the stereo. It blew me away, how much better it is. It's literally about twice as good as I thought it was, when I had it in a nearby socket in the same room. Mind boggling!!! I have the laptop sitting on top of the unit, maybe that helps as well...?
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As it is so much better if the box is plugged into the same socket as the stero, wouldn't it best to have the box as a sort of transformer that plugs into the socket and the stereo plugs into it? I think you suggested such a thing a while back
 
Rythmn Boy said:
As it is so much better if the box is plugged into the same socket as the stero, wouldn't it best to have the box as a sort of transformer that plugs into the socket and the stereo plugs into it? I think you suggested such a thing a while back
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I'm almost certain it would be better. But I'm not sure how to achieve it with 100 percent safety. I don't really want to try it myself without some professional advice and perhaps someone to mount the sockets and do the wiring.

For example, does it have to be earthed to the chassis? Are resistors needed? etc. etc.

Also, there would then be current passing through the device, and in my case it would be 6,000+ watts for the Kii amplifiers. What are the implications for heat generation inside the unit in that case? It would probably need an off/on switch, a power on light and a fuse to be safe.
 
bosshoss said:
I'm almost certain it would be better. But I'm not sure how to achieve it with 100 percent safety. I don't really want to try it myself without some professional advice and perhaps someone to mount the sockets and do the wiring.

For example, does it have to be earthed to the chassis? Are resistors needed? etc. etc.

Also, there would then be current passing through the device, and in my case it would be 6,000+ watts for the Kii amplifiers. What are the implications for heat generation inside the unit in that case? It would probably need an off/on switch, a power on light and a fuse to be safe.
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I am sure that is all true. But if it was ever to be made on a commercial basis, I am sure that would be where it would go
 
bosshoss said:
I'm almost certain it would be better. But I'm not sure how to achieve it with 100 percent safety. I don't really want to try it myself without some professional advice and perhaps someone to mount the sockets and do the wiring.

For example, does it have to be earthed to the chassis? Are resistors needed? etc. etc.

Also, there would then be current passing through the device, and in my case it would be 6,000+ watts for the Kii amplifiers. What are the implications for heat generation inside the unit in that case? It would probably need an off/on swithch, a power on light and a fuse to be safe.
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I can design it for you. We don't want unnecessary rubbish like fuses and switches. There will be one box per outlet, therefore no need for safety gadgets.
 
Outside_Lookin_in said:
I can design it for you. We don't want unnecessary rubbish like fuses and switches. There will be one box per outlet, therefore no need for safety gadgets.
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If it was just for me, that's different. But if it was going to be rented out to studios, or sold, then it would have to have the minimum legal safety requirements built in. And a certain standard of construction, designed to prevent random fatalities. On the other hand could always call the company Fatal Audio, thereby warning the consumer and absolving ourselves of any legal responsibility.
 
bosshoss said:
If it was just for me, that's different. But if it was going to be rented out to studios, or sold, then it would have to have the minimum legal safety requirements built in. And a certain standard of construction, designed to prevent random fatalities. On the other hand could always call the company Fatal Audio, thereby warning the consumer and absolving ourselves of any legal responsibility.
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Of course - I was thinking you would need proof of concept before going into commercial production.
 
The Box definitely improves with time. Every time I play it, it is better than the last.

My particle shipment has been impounded by customs. They won't release it until I let them know how many carats of diamonds are in it!
 
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Perhaps the treated strips could be encased in tinted acrylic "capsules". If things got to the point of a sonic box becoming a commercially produced good you'd need at a minimum approval from electrical safety entities such as Underwriter's Laboratory (UL) in the US - liability can get hyper expensive in no time flat. With acrylic casings in place, you'd ensure the strips were well insulated, that the treatment would remain intact/not leach out or come off on the interior of its case (and keep folks from having the treatment analyzed to determine what its composition is).
 
bosshoss said:
The Box definitely improves with time. Every time I play it, it is better than the last.

My particlenshipment has been impounded by customs. They won't release it until I let them know how many carats of diamonds are in it! Can you believe it? It is a clear grey liquid and the diamonds are so small they are invisible to the naked eye - you need an electron microscope to see them.
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You may have to approach someone further up the line. The retardation of public servants never ceases to amaze! It's akin to impounding sandpaper and asking how much it is.
 
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howlin' hoosier said:
Perhaps the treated strips could be encased in tinted acrylic "capsules". If things got to the point of a sonic box becoming a commercially produced good you'd need at a minimum approval from electrical safety entities such as Underwriter's Laboratory (UL) in the US - liability can get hyper expensive in no time flat. With acrylic casings in place, you'd ensure the strips were well insulated, that the treatment would remain intact/not leach out or come off on the interior of its case (and keep folks from having the treatment analyzed to determine what its composition is).
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That is all absolutely correct Mike. There's no way I would make any of these things myself and sell or give it to another person. It would have to be made by a professional manufacturer who specialized in electrical goods. It would have to be approved by the relevant authorities. That's why it's unlikely it will ever happen, and the only way to own this awesome thing is to build it yourself.

I'm hoping that the mixture will work perfectly with a PVA base (or epoxy maybe), instead of an oil base. It should work...
If that were true, it would be a lot easier to coat the copper bars with an outer safety coating (after applying the PVA NCE and waiting for it to dry). The outer coating could be any insulating material, such as acrylic, epoxy or rubber casing.
 
Outside_Lookin_in said:
Maybe they'll charge you as if it was 60 carats of jewel quality diamonds!

Keep in mind that they're oleophobic and therefore can't be added to BCE in its current format.
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That's right. I could use the special powder, but I won't. I want to save that for something extra special for contact enhancement. The water solution will have to be used for PVA mixtures, and the glycerol will be used for Stabilant 22 experiments, which I hope will obviate the need for using an oil mixture. Only problem is, Stabilant 22 is quite expensive to use as a base.

https://www.wurthusa.com/Chemical-P...A-Electrical-Contact-Enhancer-15-Ml/p/0893622
 
Stabilant 22 is very interesting for use with the particle material. because it is non-conductive except where it actually touches metal-on-metal. Then it conducts. This is very significant.

It means you could add particles to stabilant 22, and the mixture would only have an effect on the metal areas. It means you could paint it onto digital connectors such as ethernet cables, with no possibility of shorting the connectors. The nanodiamonds are too small to provide a path that would short the connectors. Yet they would enhance the connection of metal on metal.
 
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I have a feeling it's already being used. Stabiliant 22 definitely is already used for data cable connections. And I believe there has been an audio contact enhancer developed, already tested on data cables. My guess is that it used Stabilant 22 and some particles. But it has been withdrawn from the market suddenly.
 
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This afternoon I managed to prise open a Click adaptor, whereupon I gave it a good treatment with before current era. I plugged it into the double powerpoint which already had my treated power board plugged in, and which is adjacent to the double power point into which my sound system is plugged. The already amazingly good bass on my Marantz M-CR510 system became even punchier. Detail was improved to the point you could clearly hear the nuances in the strings, and sound stage was expanded about 25% with more depth and airiness.

On the down side, my TV gave up the ghost, but that happened last night so I can't blame it on today's innovation.
 
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