Interested in your thoughts (warning: collector oriented topic)

Maybe not a great loss, but I'm still curious. Features Jim & Jean, the soon-to-be What's New and soon-to-be Byrd D. Crosby with Les Baxter's folk group.

I see them all the time...I'l save you one...It will be $1 plus media shipping.;)
 
Okay, Buckeye and Greg, here is the 500 pound gorilla in the room. What we need is... Some GOOD record shows. I really believe the market is there, because so many people are sick of the on line crap.

There already are - Allentown, Austin, WFMU. There's not enough people who want to sell at shows to make any more worthwhile. There has been a little resurgence in local record shows when they looked to be on life support 2-3 years ago, mainly for the reason you state (and people who were savvy enough to court the new generation 'vinyl diggers' who will buy stuff like Bob Seger 'back in '72' and 80s non-hit rock - the audience I target, and do rather well, at local record shows).
 
There's a great show here in Asheville where I live. It's been going strong for the last 4 years. Great for moving well known rock titles. But for moving the lesser known, obscure private press items, psych, folk or otherwise you need a certain kind of buyer. Be it the end user or a speculator. People who are either aware of the titles your selling or the adventurous type who are willing to explore and risk the coin. These are not the kind of people you meet at small town record shows. Well, there's always one or two guys who are interested but they rarely want to spend any money on said LP's. I'd happily list some in the set sale area here except this is a 45 site and I thought it might be frowned upon. Seems like I did list a few things here once to test the waters. The couple of(acid archives) titles I listed went unsold at $50. I then ebayed them for $150 and $225 respectively. Most folks here just aren't looking for that kind of thing. But as my prices reflected, I'm happy to move them at a low price just to avoid ebay. I guess I could list them on waxidermy but I'd prefer a private setting with a smaller group of trustworthy folks.
 
Given the low traffic in the set sale supermarket, I assume few people would mind seeing an odd format popping up there. As an avid Acid Archives student, I'd love to see strange private press LPs being offered there. Even if it wont be Wilcox-Sullivan-Wilcox (anyone w/ that in their sales box?).
 
I saw the thread you are referring to, Mike, and i say let them find out the hard way...you've given a reasonable input and he thinks you're wrong...i know what i paid for my copy of that record. It was a reasonable price that was NOWHERE near his asking offer..
 
i have sold ehum...two copies of the Glass Sun ar around 300 ukp, none where to DJs/youngsters but seasoned collectors, one in the US and one in Sweden. They had the sleeve though
 
ok ok....

by the way,one of the discoveries this far in the TBM tome is the 20th century zoo - you don´t remember ps, thst´s nice, many copies around or impossible?
 
ok ok....

by the way,one of the discoveries this far in the TBM tome is the 20th century zoo - you don´t remember ps, thst´s nice, many copies around or impossible?

Must be nigh on impossible. I think Mr.Bosshoss posted a scan on the old Kopper forum once upon time, only time I´ve seen one. Still kicking myself for not buying a m- sans PS for $200something....
 
I don't so much mind people trying to get a good dollar for a rare record... even if in my mind it should be $350 and they are asking $750... At least they are bringing a rare record to market.... That said, people trying to turn a $5 VG- marginally scarce 45 into $100+ are a problem...
Shuga Records makes every antique mall junk dealer think that their $1 bin action is gold cause they saw the $100 Buy it now on ebay... Which MUST mean that it SELLS for that! HA!
 
the sleeve we was talking up there in the thread, the one Ratfinkie and was reffering to was the Ps to 20th century zoo - you dont remember.
 
Re Mike's intial topic, I posted a Facebook "Like" to his post after seeing the bozo demanding $300+ for a 45 that used to sell for $40 with Craig Moerer and has floated around in quantities. I guess I should have kept my copy but it was one of those trips where ownership of the original 45, as opposed to the great Michigan Mixture comp, added nothing to the experience of the track... and if there's no buzz, it's in the sale pile.

Anyone wanting to sell Acid Archives type LPs can always contact me, I'm slowly building up stock towards my next auction list. Landed a slightly underpriced Druids Of Stonehenge last week, as an example. Anything in the $100-500 zone where you can accept a price that is good but not top dollar and we may be in business... only strong copies unless it's Index rare...

Wilcox-Sullivan-Wilcox

Not to be a prophet of doom, but I think that LP is headed towards Relatively Clean Rivers zones... it's almost as good as RCR, hits a very special and deep spot, and has an incredible cover to boot.
 
I always get an image of a slightly curmudgeonly chap waving a clenched fist at a pesky kid any time Mike comments on "Euro Mod DJs" and the value of records.

When you have decades of experience in collecting a genre, of course you have superior knowledge and contacts which will generally improve availability of records and reduce costs. You'll have lots of dealer/collector friends who share you passion, know what you like/need and generally, your pursuit of records is going to be considerably different from a guy born in the 80's on another continent who only has access to most garage records via eBay/the Internet, compilation lps, club nights and podcasts or similar - of course the newbie is going to be more susceptible to what's in vogue but I don't think that makes their passion any less genuine.

I really value your knowledge Mike, I've really appreciated you input when I've asked on price advice when making some of my biggest purchases but I don't see why you get frustrated and are so dismissive of other collectors. At worst, they temporarily drive up prices on records you probably own or don't want and at best provide you with an opportunity to capitalise on their greeness/eagerness when something is flavour of the month.

Things like The Raven, Calamity Jane are a prime example. It's a fun tune but it's basically novelty pop. It doesn't appear hugely rare but appears on ebay fairly infrequently, a few times a year, so it was ripe for its value blowing up when it was brought to a wider audience. I remember seeing that in a shop in London for £500 at the peak of its popularity. Now, pretty much every month, there is a copy posted on Facebook with the price slowly decreasing, shifting it for £175 now seems a challenge and the last few copies on eBay are well below that. That situation is not uncommon but surely it gives guys with experience a chance to capitalise on the situation, or you can totally ignore the buzz and wait for 18 months for the market to readjust.

I saw the thread that brought about your initial post. Personally I thought it was an odd record to ask for offers on, first and foremost it's not hugely to my taste but it's one I've seen offered multiple times at relatively stable prices so wouldn't have thought it would be too difficult to price up, as he'd done with all the other records he offered. I doubt very much he sold it for £300 if he sold it at all but, if he did get a buyer in the region, so what?

For me, the most irritating thing about the Facebook groups is that you see the same records offered every week by the same sellers that are readily available elsewhere at a fraction of the price. I even got kicked off one of the pages for having the audacity to point out that the record offered for the 5th time in a fortnight at $40 was readily available on eBay and Gemm for $5 in considerable quantity.

I've found the Facebook pages quite fruitful, bargains can be found but more often than not, top dollar is asked there. I personally don't mind paying a slight premium for convenience and instant satisfaction. I've also made real life friends and met people all over the world thanks to that community so it's got additional value to me.

Record collecting really is a funny old game though.
 
I've said it before: I do not get frustrated or even bothered with people paying whatever prices they wish for collectible records. As long as the buyer can be informed before making the decision to buy.
The problem I have is that several (not all, mind you) DJ types who wheel and deal the same pile of 45s on the 'net are a very insular sect. They do not care about provenance, or the past collectible "history" of records (they turn a deaf ear to the knowledgeable "elders") because they want to keep the artificially inflated prices at the same, or increased levels currently hyped via their buy and sell market. Therefore, any commentary as to "This used to be a $30 45, in quantity, as recent as ten years ago" is met with anger and a dismissive wave of the hand. Their callous retort of "current market value automatically invalidates every other factor" is complete BS.
When I post information, it comes from experience. To quote a cliche - the school of hard knocks - as well as being very observant and involved with wheeling and dealing via many sources for longer than most of these tykes have been alive. I do not like to see younger / more inexperienced buyers get hosed just because a 45 is a fetish spin. The Raven 45 is available elsewhere (on-line and off-line) with anywhere from a $200-350 sale price. These should have been bought instantaneously, if said record is truly "in-demand" and "rare" as the insular sect hypes it to be. Well, they still sit, unsold. If it were a true reflection of worth, this record should currently sell for a LOT less.
And, please, let's give the "this is what it sells for on ebay" boast a rest. Everyone cites the topmost price, well, how about a record sells for a lot LESS than what it could potentially bring? Is that price ever used as the basis for re-sale?