Don't get yer panties in a twist. Purple Virus...will be out next year on Ace.
Can we hear a sample?
kids on acid?
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Can we hear a sample?
Frantic
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It's not up to me.
13th Floor Garage
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Wow! Kiddie-Punk/Garage has never been my thing, but this sample is so "right" (wrong) on many cool levels. Although I can relate to Mikael about the collector/elitism stuff, I also don't feel any sense of entitlement (it's always kind and thoughtful when many do go beyond and do share). Tip of the hat to you Moptop Mike. Honoring and maintaining your word is cooler than any garage single.
Doesn't Back From The Grave/GP Unknowns betray the whole movement? I mean you can
hear the songs in their entirety. It would make much more sense if these comps came with short CLIPS
only, with a "so there" sticker. "If you don't own the record, you can't hear it, you entitled motherfucker"
hear the songs in their entirety. It would make much more sense if these comps came with short CLIPS
only, with a "so there" sticker. "If you don't own the record, you can't hear it, you entitled motherfucker"
Frantic
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I don't own it, never did. It's not up to me at this point. And it will be out on Ace next year. And if it isn't...SUE THEM!! Or get drunk and tear up shit
Hell, I don't even have a copy of it anymore, it was on a computer of mine that crashed like 6 years ago. And mine was recorded at the wrong speed. So I'd like to hear it again myself someday and at the right speed.
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The poster child for the entitlement generation...
What fucking "movement"? The only movement seems to be comprised of dorks who whine and complain because you cannot get to hear something, or have to wait to hear it. Fork over the bucks and buy it.
Every time I read one of your posts I picture a baby having a tantrum and throwing all of its toys out of the cot.
greenfuzz
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Books are meant to be read. Movies are meant to be watched. Music is meant to be heard. Simple facts. Somebody that owns a rare 45 is not forced to post it to YouTube for everybody to hear...BUT if someone asks to hear that 45 and is refused, I believe it's because the person refusing has the pathetic collectors mentality I posted about earlier. What other reason is there? To try to spin it any other way is just not truthful. Guys like Alec Palao and Tim Warren make us wait but we know the music will eventually come out in incredible sound quality with absolutely killer packages with scoops and photos of the bands. My comments are not directed at guys like Alec or Tim, who collectively have done more for '60s garage (and other genres) than anyone on the planet. I'm talking about the collectors who have no intention of ever sharing the music but thump their chests about having a score of unknown songs.
Wanting to hear a song is not due to a sense of entitlement; it's due to wanting to enjoy something that we all care enough to post to a music forum about.
I've shared so many songs on 60sgaragebands.com that I've seen posted to YouTube or ripped to comps. So what? The fact the somebody else enjoyed them enough to want to share them with others no doubt brings the performers of the music great joy, especially if the music has been mostly forgotten for 45 years. Isn't that what it's all about?
Wanting to hear a song is not due to a sense of entitlement; it's due to wanting to enjoy something that we all care enough to post to a music forum about.
I've shared so many songs on 60sgaragebands.com that I've seen posted to YouTube or ripped to comps. So what? The fact the somebody else enjoyed them enough to want to share them with others no doubt brings the performers of the music great joy, especially if the music has been mostly forgotten for 45 years. Isn't that what it's all about?
Frantic
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My money is on MOPTOP!!!
Frantic
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It's kinda absurd that some guys here cast judgments and aspersions about a person who has a rare 45 that asked not to share it.
Yes, there are some guys, like the nefarious Italian collector, who really do brag and hoard recordings, but he's in the TINY minority. The collector with the unknown Michigan 45 is not "bragging", beating his chest, and pandering to the poster children on here who, because they can't afford, or do not want to collect 45s, demand, [wait, a better word: expect] to hear a specific recording as soon as they find out about it.
He asked me not to share the songs, which he was nice enough to send to me after I asked, so I could archive them for the new book. I don't know his reasons, but knowing some of the things he does, I would expect to hear the tune, or tunes on a reissue of some sort at some point in the future.
But because you can't hear them RIGHT NOW, you stereotype this person as a hoarder, self-centered with a pathetic collectors mentality. Some of these outrageous comments also apply to a couple of G45 members who sent me numerous recordings, all under the caveat of 'please don't share them.' These guys are anything but the people you claim them to be, based on their requests made to me. Most of them are contributors here on the forum.
It's anyone's right to do whatever they want. Including to share, or not to share. This entitlement mentality really has gone too far in the past 10 years. I don't cast judgement on someone I know, or do not know solely based upon whether of not they make music available for the Kumbaya generation.
i have a list of over 200 45s I have never heard. i know a couple of collectors; between them, they have nearly all of them in their collections. I've met one of them in person several times, he's a great guy, modest, low key. But he doesn't share stuff, meaning offer to make dubs, put the songs on line, etc. for whatever reasons. So what?
If I get to hear them before I'm gone, great. If not, no big deal. I'm always grateful for whatever comes my way.
I'd like to bring up something too - I was given a bunch of video clips which were not made available to see anywhere, including youtube. At the time, I was told 'please don't share or make copies for anyone'. That was nearly 10 years ago, and I have not done so. How is keeping video footage under wraps any different from sharing music? It would seem the video guys are far, far more insular and "hoarding" than the record guys.
Yes, there are some guys, like the nefarious Italian collector, who really do brag and hoard recordings, but he's in the TINY minority. The collector with the unknown Michigan 45 is not "bragging", beating his chest, and pandering to the poster children on here who, because they can't afford, or do not want to collect 45s, demand, [wait, a better word: expect] to hear a specific recording as soon as they find out about it.
He asked me not to share the songs, which he was nice enough to send to me after I asked, so I could archive them for the new book. I don't know his reasons, but knowing some of the things he does, I would expect to hear the tune, or tunes on a reissue of some sort at some point in the future.
But because you can't hear them RIGHT NOW, you stereotype this person as a hoarder, self-centered with a pathetic collectors mentality. Some of these outrageous comments also apply to a couple of G45 members who sent me numerous recordings, all under the caveat of 'please don't share them.' These guys are anything but the people you claim them to be, based on their requests made to me. Most of them are contributors here on the forum.
It's anyone's right to do whatever they want. Including to share, or not to share. This entitlement mentality really has gone too far in the past 10 years. I don't cast judgement on someone I know, or do not know solely based upon whether of not they make music available for the Kumbaya generation.
i have a list of over 200 45s I have never heard. i know a couple of collectors; between them, they have nearly all of them in their collections. I've met one of them in person several times, he's a great guy, modest, low key. But he doesn't share stuff, meaning offer to make dubs, put the songs on line, etc. for whatever reasons. So what?
If I get to hear them before I'm gone, great. If not, no big deal. I'm always grateful for whatever comes my way.
I'd like to bring up something too - I was given a bunch of video clips which were not made available to see anywhere, including youtube. At the time, I was told 'please don't share or make copies for anyone'. That was nearly 10 years ago, and I have not done so. How is keeping video footage under wraps any different from sharing music? It would seem the video guys are far, far more insular and "hoarding" than the record guys.
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Look in the mirror, dude, or are you too vain?
greenfuzz
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Just to be clear, MTM, my comments were not about the guy who asked you not to share the songs that started this particular topic; it was about the chest thumpers in general...and if you've collected as long as we have, you're bound to know a handful. I have a feeling that if these chest thumpers could reissue the music and sell a billion copies where they could make millions of dollars, there'd be no hoarders. A large part of it is feeling like a "big fish in a small pond"-- the "I have it and you don't" mentality often found in collecting circles that are limited in numbers. It exists in all facets of collecting, not just with "'60s garage" collectors.
It's like the art collectors who buy things on the black market and then conceal a painting, or a sculpture, in their house where no one else can see it. What's the point?
It's like the art collectors who buy things on the black market and then conceal a painting, or a sculpture, in their house where no one else can see it. What's the point?
jerry dickens
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No matter the genre, no matter the date, it seems some things never change. Both the 'secret society' and the 'entitlement' squad were alive and kicking when I first started seriously collecting 45s back in the late '60s - well before Goldmine, let alone the instant information era. Back then, one relied on xeroxed lists or attending record hops in order to hear killer records or glean info about them.
In those days there were no price guides and none of us had an idea as to the relative rarity of original 45s. Someone digging up a 25 box of Carl Mann/Jaxon made it seem pretty common, whereas you could wait for a long time to get a major label killer. This was because the radio stations that promoted all the big labels had not yet been tapped. I had 2 copies of Carl Mann before I even saw one Johnny Carroll Decca 45.
But . . . great sounds were still great sounds and those who first found them tended to keep things very close. I well remember hearing Terry Daly's 'You Don't Bug Me' at a record hop. The DJ played half the tune, then waved the record aloft, before promptly stowing it into his record box. Everyone was thinking, 'What the f--k was that? I must have a copy'. But, of course, none of us knew either artist, title or label. Time has heeled those wounds, but not long after someone allegedly paid $300 for a copy. I suppose at the time, I would have, too. Another 'secret society' ruse was to offer big bucks for non existent records. Sometimes this saw these phantom 45s appearing on for sale lists! Of course, the understandable attitude of the entitlement squad (everyone should be able to own the sound) was quickly exploited by the bootleggers and reissue merchants. I guess they were only servicing a need, but their advent certainly polarised opinion.
Sometimes when I look at one of my 45 storage shelves and think of all the time and money spent on ammassing these bits of plastic, I do wonder whether it would have been better just to have bought repros, bootlegs, albums or CDs and spent the money on other things. But as an old time collector once said to me; 'The difference between an original artifact and a facsimile is like having a woman to sleep with, or being content with jerking off over a photograph' I suppose the end result is the same.
In those days there were no price guides and none of us had an idea as to the relative rarity of original 45s. Someone digging up a 25 box of Carl Mann/Jaxon made it seem pretty common, whereas you could wait for a long time to get a major label killer. This was because the radio stations that promoted all the big labels had not yet been tapped. I had 2 copies of Carl Mann before I even saw one Johnny Carroll Decca 45.
But . . . great sounds were still great sounds and those who first found them tended to keep things very close. I well remember hearing Terry Daly's 'You Don't Bug Me' at a record hop. The DJ played half the tune, then waved the record aloft, before promptly stowing it into his record box. Everyone was thinking, 'What the f--k was that? I must have a copy'. But, of course, none of us knew either artist, title or label. Time has heeled those wounds, but not long after someone allegedly paid $300 for a copy. I suppose at the time, I would have, too. Another 'secret society' ruse was to offer big bucks for non existent records. Sometimes this saw these phantom 45s appearing on for sale lists! Of course, the understandable attitude of the entitlement squad (everyone should be able to own the sound) was quickly exploited by the bootleggers and reissue merchants. I guess they were only servicing a need, but their advent certainly polarised opinion.
Sometimes when I look at one of my 45 storage shelves and think of all the time and money spent on ammassing these bits of plastic, I do wonder whether it would have been better just to have bought repros, bootlegs, albums or CDs and spent the money on other things. But as an old time collector once said to me; 'The difference between an original artifact and a facsimile is like having a woman to sleep with, or being content with jerking off over a photograph' I suppose the end result is the same.
axel
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a definition of "entitlement generation":
group born between 1979 and 1994 who believe they are owed certain rights and benefits without further justification
I hate that term. It's mainly a wholesale condemnation of younger people by an older generation who thinks that everything was better in the old days. It's a typical attitude towards young people, which is documented since ancient Greece. It's particularly strange to have it used in the context of 60s garage punk. I'm sure the kids who played that music were looked down upon in the same manner by the older generation back then.
Morevover the "entitled" people in question here are probably not part of the young generation that grew up with the internet, which understandably has another idea of the accessibility of things. So whatever the arguments, it doesn't make much sense to talk about a certain generation here.
group born between 1979 and 1994 who believe they are owed certain rights and benefits without further justification
I hate that term. It's mainly a wholesale condemnation of younger people by an older generation who thinks that everything was better in the old days. It's a typical attitude towards young people, which is documented since ancient Greece. It's particularly strange to have it used in the context of 60s garage punk. I'm sure the kids who played that music were looked down upon in the same manner by the older generation back then.
Morevover the "entitled" people in question here are probably not part of the young generation that grew up with the internet, which understandably has another idea of the accessibility of things. So whatever the arguments, it doesn't make much sense to talk about a certain generation here.
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Perhaps a better branding would be entitlement brigade - comprised of people of all ages, creeds, etc.
My point of view on the matter - there are way many more folks on the side of "i wanna hear it" than there are of "I own it and I'm not letting anyone hear it".
My point of view on the matter - there are way many more folks on the side of "i wanna hear it" than there are of "I own it and I'm not letting anyone hear it".
axel
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"Entitlement brigade" is much better. Doesn't sound too serious, too, which is always good.
Wanting to hear something that is supposedly good is only natural. The question is rather how far people go with their complaint or demand to hear it.
Heitkotter77
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I think the concept is that those who would qualify for membership in the "brigade" would be the ones who don't know how to take "no" for an answer when they make a request to hear something.
Entitled ones complain about not sharing, but don't understand that sharing is something that's done willingly, not begrudgingly; also one shares with whom one chooses to share (with or without expectation of reciprocity).
Entitled ones complain about not sharing, but don't understand that sharing is something that's done willingly, not begrudgingly; also one shares with whom one chooses to share (with or without expectation of reciprocity).
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