Knight Raiders - Edgewood Studios acetate

[sanjuro73]

I can also vouch for it.

I endorse this as well! If there is one person you can trust with your acetate, it's Mark.

I am sure a high quality flac of "Hang It Up" transferred by Mark would sound unbelievable and would be well worth the trouble.

 

[TJ Coro]

You're right Mark, it's a lot to think about and I'd hate to loose my acetate in the mail, but the possibility of having the songs digitized is very tempting...very tempting, indeed. I just have to figure out how to get the acetate out of the frame. I looked at it today and it's not built to be taken apart, but there must be a way to get the acetate out without destroying the frame. Also, I may know where I can find another copy of the acetate, but I don't know the owner personally or if he would be willing to lend it to me to have it digitized. But I guess It doesn't hurt to ask.

Once it's been transferred into a digital format, I guess it's just a matter of finding someone who can press it into vinyl, correct? BTW, the acetate was made in 1967, so it's pretty old. From what you said about the shelf life of acetates, how big of a problem do you think this would be?

One last word - Thanks Mark, for all your interest and support in wanting to preserve the Knight Raiders one-an-done recording. That goes for everyone on this thread who has shown interest in the Knight Raiders through your kind comments and 'thumbs up.' As I've said before, it warms my heart to know so many of you enjoy the music of an obscure garage band from the 60's.

Steve

 

[bosshoss]

Once it's been transferred into a digital format, I guess it's just a matter of finding someone who can press it into vinyl, correct? BTW, the acetate was made in 1967, so it's pretty old. From what you said about the shelf life of acetates, how big of a problem do you think this would be?
Steve

Yes, it would remove most of the potential headaches if an existing label such as Norton, Big Beat, Crypt or Mojo Bone were to add the Knight Raiders 45 to their catalog. I don't see why that would not happen, if the transfer, artwork and story were provided. I'm sure you understand Steve that no-one is making a fortune out of extremely limited reissue projects like this, it's usually done for the love of the music and the hope that the project breaks even.

As for the probability of a fantastic result from the Edgewood acetate, based on my experience with The Henchmen acetate and the file you already posted, I would rate the probability of success as "extremely high".

 

[TJ Coro]

Exactly! For the love of the music.

 

[bosshoss]

There's no pressure Steve. Whatever you decide, you have to be comfortable with the risk. There may be an opportunity for you to get a transfer done without sending the acetate in the mail. Or the other copy may become available. In any case we still have the music as things stand, thanks to you!

 

[TJ Coro]

Thanks, Mark. Just getting ready to take a walkabout with me trusty pipe to reflect on the possibilities. Pressure off. -Steve

 

[TJ Coro]

I can also vouch for it.

I had found an acetate ( "Look Out For Number One") at a thrift store. I uploaded it as an mp3 and the quality was so bad that other forum members wondered if I had posted a retro band disguised and added pops and clicks.

I'm sure that this acetate was a piece of work, but after Boss Hoss was through with it, the sound quality was unreal (in a *good* way) . I've also heard other good quality mp3 recordings that a listener might not think needs any work. After Boss does his magic, you'd almost swear that it was a better studio take of the same song.

The return packaging was not only quick, but better than any packaging that I've received through ebay (and I've ordered from ebay since 2004).

I realize that your acetate has not only a great sentimental value to you, but it's your only one. If I had not heard the improvements with my own ears and experienced the care and time that Boss Hoss takes, I would not be posting.

Just to give another example. I am friends with the brother of a group called "Scribes." I also later chatted his brother. Boss Hoss cleaned up their single "Just Last Night." This wasn't an acetate, but a regular 45 single. The improvements that Boss Hoss applied to this 45 really impressed the band member and his brother.

Thanks for the encouragement, Mr. Garage. Lots of positive posts regarding Mark’s work. I have no doubt he would do a fabulous job. The only concerns I have are dismantling the frame, and to a lesser degree, putting it in the mail. But neither of these concerns are a deal breaker.

I’ve made an attempt to contact the other acetate owner to find out if he has a digital copy or if he would be willing to lend or sell me his acetate. If not, time to call the Wrecking Crew!

It’s getting exciting!

Steve

 

[Hicksville Hogwash]

You're right Mark, it's a lot to think about and I'd hate to loose my acetate in the mail, but the possibility of having the songs digitized is very tempting...very tempting, indeed. I just have to figure out how to get the acetate out of the frame. I looked at it today and it's not built to be taken apart, but there must be a way to get the acetate out without destroying the frame. Also, I may know where I can find another copy of the acetate, but I don't know the owner personally or if he would be willing to lend it to me to have it digitized. But I guess It doesn't hurt to ask.

Once it's been transferred into a digital format, I guess it's just a matter of finding someone who can press it into vinyl, correct? BTW, the acetate was made in 1967, so it's pretty old. From what you said about the shelf life of acetates, how big of a problem do you think this would be?

One last word - Thanks Mark, for all your interest and support in wanting to preserve the Knight Raiders one-an-done recording. That goes for everyone on this thread who has shown interest in the Knight Raiders through your kind comments and 'thumbs up.' As I've said before, it warms my heart to know so many of you enjoy the music of an obscure garage band from the 60's.

Steve

Hi Steve,
I work as a curator in a museum/music hall of fame in WV. I get into the backs of professionally framed objects often.

If it's framed how I imagine, you just have to remove the brown paper stuck to the back of frame. A scalpel blade would work. Once you've torn off the brown paper the backing board will be visible. It'll either be made of pressed wood or maybe "gator" board held in with framer pins. The clips are occasionally bendable and you can ply them upwards (usa a screwdriver if you cant do this with finger power) to make the board "lift outable" with some wiggling. I prefer to get pliers and grab the metal framers pins and pull them completely out. But I've the pinner tool to replace pins back later.

Gently lift out framed contents except glass. They'll be a few layers of matte board one or two make up the window hole, one has the photos and 45 attached somehow.

I can't see how your 45 is attached in to the matte board. No plastic clips visible so I guess but hope it's not taped in there. If it seems taped, again wiggle the 45 gently you'll detach it pretty quickly. Don't clean off any glue residue stuck to 45 I'd trust the BossHoss on fixing that if it needs fixing for recording.

Look up youtubes on unframing items might be a help. And good luck. It's a great little 45 and pics.

 

[TJ Coro]

Thanks for the helpful information. I am hoping I can get my hands on the other known acetate, but if not, I will follow your detailed guidance to remove my acetate from the frame. -Steve

 

[Hicksville Hogwash]

Thanks for the helpful information. I am hoping I can get my hands on the other known acetate, but if not, I will follow your detailed guidance to remove my acetate from the frame. -Steve

Camera angle is weird but this might help.

 

[TJ Coro]

Thanks, Mr. Hogwash. Good video.

 

[TJ Coro]

Well, lads, I finally got hold of the only other known to exist Knight Raiders acetate and sent it to Mr. Bosshoss, who made an extraordinary digital transfer of the two songs - Hang It Up and Love Without Words. Below is a link to the new and improved digitized version of Hang It Up, if you'd like to hear it.

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I'm now looking for someone who can press a small run of vinyl 45s for personal use. Nothing much for now, just enough to share with friends and family and anyone here who might be interested. I did a google search a few months ago and found a few companies that can press vinyl 45s and design a sleeve for about $20 to $30 a disk, as I remember. If you know someone who can do this kind of thing, please let me know.

Finally, a big THANK YOU to Mr. Bosshoss for making digital copies of the two Knight Raiders songs. I listen to the digital version of Hang It Up all the time! It's great!

TJ

 

[Outside_Lookin_in]

I'm interested in a copy, TJ!

 

[TJ Coro]

I penciled you in for one.

 

[Outside_Lookin_in]

I penciled you in for one.

Mind you, I'd rather pay for a digital copy. I'd only get a record pressed from a digital source if the analogue source was unavailable. This is purely due to quality issues. To me, it only makes sense to press vinyl from an analogue source: not analogue to digital and back to analogue, because you lose audio quality with each conversion.

 

[TJ Coro]

Interesting. Not my area of expertise. I’ll let Mr. Bosshoss chime in here. I’m courious about this myself.

 

[bosshoss]

In the case of the Knight Raiders acetate, the analog master does not exist, so a digital master is the only available option.

 

[Outside_Lookin_in]

Perhaps the only practical option in this case, but you could keep the whole transfer process analogue if you had the right equipment. With a digital master, to press a record you would have to convert back to analogue. If I bought the record, I would then convert it back to digital for listening convenience; so by getting a digital copy from the digital master, I would save myself two conversions thereby saving a lot of the original fidelity.

 

[bosshoss]

Perhaps the only practical option in this case, but you could keep the whole transfer process analogue if you had the right equipment. With a digital master, to press a record you would have to convert back to analogue. If I bought the record, I would then convert it back to digital for listening convenience; so by getting a digital copy from the digital master, I would save myself two conversions thereby saving a lot of the original fidelity.

Yes. But the Knight Raiders acetate is a HYPE transfer, which is better than either analog or digital...

 

[greenfuzz]

Damn…that transfer sounds great. And what a great song!