Label pressing variations

[bosshoss]

The G45 Oracle (available to use for free on this site) values the Moving Sidewalks on Wand using the following input values

ORACLE INPUT VALUES (ratings out of 10)
S1 (song quality side 1) = 10 (reason : rated in TBM)
S2 (song quality side 2) = 6 (reason : rated in TBM)
R (Rarity) = 3.5 (reason : major label, regional hit record, dozens of copies listed for sale over last 10 years, but none listed right now)
L (Legend) = 10 (reason : Pebbles vol. 2, pre-ZZ Top)
A (Artifact value) = 0 (reason : no sleeve, insert or custom graphic)

(no Defects or Hot Item factor)

ORACLE RESULTS for various condition vinyl
Value m- = $199
Value vg+ = $136
value vg = $87
value vg- = $43
value g = $19

The G45 Oracle is still the only full Artificial Intelligence valuation system ever created for '60s garage 45s, and it is exquisitely accurate. It forces you to think logically when valuing a 45, and stops greed or ignorance of important factors from distorting the valuation process. S1 and S2 song ratings are listed in Teenbeat Mayhem, and Rarity can be judged by appearances in online auction historical databases. Legend can be roughly calculated by historical compilation appearances listed in the online Searchin' For Shakes database (or by other unusual collector interest expressed in books, websites and fanzines). The Artifact factor should be left at 0 for a plain label 45 with no picture sleeve or other insert. Currently the Artifact dropdown represents an arbitrary dollar value for the sleeve or insert. Any sleeve or insert can optionally be valued separately using the S1, S2, R, L and Defect factors, then added to the calculated value of the 45 without sleeve.

Hot Item is only used sparingly for 45s currently in vogue with Mod DJs (adds an additional arbitrary dollar value).
To those who say the Oracle does not calculate marketplace demand (as distinct from rarity), I say SongQuality+Legend+Artifact=Demand.
If someone asked me for a '60s garage 45 valuation, I would use the power of G45 Oracle AI to advise them, not my own primitive brain.

 

[bosshoss]

In a moment of renewed enthusiasm for the G45 Oracle, I have just updated the IF (inflation factor) and GHF (genre heat factor), after 6 years of no updates. The inflation since 2014 is roughly 10%, and I guess the '60s garage genre is at least 5% "hotter" (more collectible) than it was 6 years ago. So the new factors have been entered into the G45 Oracle AI Neural Control Cluster. Now The Oracle says The Moving Sidewalks on Wand is $230 in mint condition, and $157 in vg+. It's actually pretty hard to find a mint copy of the Moving Sidewalks (I don't have one that's for sure), so I'm ok with that. In any case, who am I to question the G45 Oracle?

 

[vinyl01]

$230.00 now in Mint which is close to M-. Anyway, that explains the higher selling price the one variation went for. Does the oracle take into consideration promo vs issue copy and label variations? Is there a link to this updated calculator?

 

[bosshoss]

Does the oracle take into consideration promo vs issue copy and label variations?

The Oracle considers the promo/stock question to be a matter of individual taste. Likewise label variations. The Artifact Factor can be used to adjust for your personal preferences. The Rarity Factor should always be calculated on the TOTAL quantity available of all label variations, then the Artifact Factor can be used to adjust the value upwards for the more desirable label variations if necessary.

Is there a link to this updated calculator?

Yes here
http://www.g45central.com/g45/Oracle/G45Oracle.html
You may need to hit "CTRL-F5" (Control-FunctionKey5) to clear your cache before the new version will load. (Windows PC). The latest version can be identified by the new IF (inflation factor) of 1.10

 

[Hicksville Hogwash]

Personally I wouldn't pay anything extra for a couple of **'s on a label. Unless they denoted something else, such as pressing quality. On the other hand, if one label had a picture of a devil's head on it, and the other equally rare pressing did not, I would pay more for the devil's head.

I found one of those a few weeks back in among 8 tracks. No devil head though.
Even I'd have payed double for a devil. making a total of $2.

EDIT. I just snapped it in half. Whoops!

 

[cracker]

I've just noticed that in the Moving Sidewalks case that the copy w/ stars sold for $240.00 while the copy w/out only got $90.00. Why?

Discogs sales histories are all partitioned onto each individual release page. In most cases, that there are variants that sold at different prices have virtually nothing to do with some underlying preferences for the variants... the prices are different because, if there's no sales history for an item, someone has to make a price up out of thin air, maybe they didn't check the other variants for sales history, maybe they did and raised the price significantly.

So you'll have a hard time trying to glean logic from Discogs sales history, all it means is that something sold one time at a certain price point. wantlists are weighted towards releases that have been in the database longer, so those items may see more action. Or sometimes people try to bump up the prices on the more recently added variant without any other competing copies for sale. Sadly the sales history tends to encourage speculative high pricing, but as we all know, most of it just sits there.

 

[vinyl01]

Discogs sales histories are all partitioned onto each individual release page. In most cases, that there are variants that sold at different prices have virtually nothing to do with some underlying preferences for the variants... the prices are different because, if there's no sales history for an item, someone has to make a price up out of thin air, maybe they didn't check the other variants for sales history, maybe they did and raised the price significantly.

So you'll have a hard time trying to glean logic from Discogs sales history, all it means is that something sold one time at a certain price point. wantlists are weighted towards releases that have been in the database longer, so those items may see more action. Or sometimes people try to bump up the prices on the more recently added variant without any other competing copies for sale. Sadly the sales history tends to encourage speculative high pricing, but as we all know, most of it just sits there.

I just checked the history of each promo and the ** copy was created a few year earlier that the one without, so you are correct in your observation. Also, on the Fred Carter Jr. is the same situation that the copy that was created first gets the most attention.