Least favorite of the major 1966 era bands?

Don Julio

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Who is your least favorite and why?

Love had a few good songs, of course, but for the most part, I find their albums rather lame and their reputation completely overblown. Arthur's lyrics are utter nonsense about 95% of the time, I hate his song titles, and his vocal style on things like "Message to Pretty" are so overwrought and fake. The Rising Storm's cover of the latter is far superior to the original.

"My Little Red Book." A "rock" version of this Burt Bacharach pop/jazz tune is a weird way for one of LA's supposed premier rock bands to make their debut. Unfortunately, Arthur did not take a lesson from Bacharach here and teach himself how to write bridges for songs. It also demonstrates the group's love for jazz songs and chords was present from the start, not something that only developed during the second album.

First album: does Echols ever take a guitar solo? Once or twice, both forgettable. No surprise that Forssi plays "lead bass" for the entire album -- he's very good, but lead bass is not really a thing for 1966 music. "Hey Joe" is destroyed by all three Leaves versions. Echols claims that the Leaves learned the song from Love. The lead bass is the only thing that makes Love's version worth hearing.

Best song on the album by far is "My Flash on You," though it's just "Hey Joe" with different lyrics. No bridge again. Lead bass again.

The second album moves into jazz-rock. I guess it's OK if you're into jazz-rock. I'm not. "Revelation" is indisputably garbage -- not even the band's staunchest supporters can defend this -- but most of side one is also pretty forgettable, with "lead flute" and more forgettable lyrics. The words to "Orange Skies" sound like a 7-year-old wrote them, and Arthur's vocals on this are so absurd they MUST have been intended as a joke. The drumming is way better than the first album and Forssi is still good on bass. But can I get a guitar solo? Please? Side 1's only rocker is "7 and 7 Is" which was a single and anachronistic on this album. "The Castle" is melodically very interesting but Arthur's lyrics are, as usual, forgettable nonsense ("Goin' back to Mother / Leaving on the double / Think I'll go to Mexico"). The flute/sax overpowers everything, not in a good way.

The third album? They showed up so strung on heroin that they couldn't even carry a tune, so the label had to hire the Wrecking Crew until they could clean themselves up. More jazz-rock. Too much acoustic guitar, too much trumpet, too many violins. Forgettable lyrics. No more lead bass, which is too bad since Ken Forssi's musicianship is ultimately the only memorable aspect of this band.
 
Love and Music Machine were both brilliant, compared to the Grateful Dead, Lovin' Spoonful, Jefferson Airplane, Big Brother & Holding Co., Country Joe & The Fish, Quicksilver Messenger Service, Steve Miller Band, Doors, Byrds, Buffalo Springfield, Mamas & Papas, Canned Heat, Santana, Charlatans, Cream, Butterfield Blues Band, Simon & Garfunkel, New Vaudeville Band, Association, Sonny & Cher, Moody Blues, Tom Jones, Peter & Gordon, Seekers, Elvis, Righteous Brothers...

No not every track by those bands was totally bad, but taking their entire output by comparison...you sit through the Moody Blues and Grateful Dead entire catalogs, and I'll sit through the Music Machine and Love. See who cracks first.
 
The first Love album, in my opinion, is as good as it gets. I do like Forever Changes but I can understand Don Julio's case that it's overrated. I will listen to 1966 Love all day, every day but post '66 only in spurts.

I agree with most of Bosshosses other "compared to" groups but Lovin' Spoonful, Byrds and Buffalo Springfield seem out of place to me in that list. Like Love, the "early" Byrds were simply fantastic; the quality of their music suffered when Gene Clark departed. I'm partial to the '65-'67 Sunset Strip sound (and there was a definite sound that screamed LA) so the first Buffalo Springfield album also ranks highly for me. As for the Spoonful...they might be an acquired taste for some, but they have several great songs outside of their well-known hit singles that raises them a notch for me. John Sebastian doesn't get the credit he deserves for writing and singing some of the catchiest songs of the decade.
 
Moby Grape. I pull their LPs out occasionally to relisten & they do nothing for me. I keep thinking someday it will click but I don't even like cover versions of their songs by bands I love like The Move.
I've come to appreciate the first 3 Jefferson Airplane LPs, the Charlatans, Buffalo Springfield over the years but I think I've given up on Moby Grape
 
While I wouldn't consider these recording performers/groups "major" as compared to some of the others mentioned, I would gladly listen to nearly all mentioned before I would subject myself to these highly rated (in retrospect) U.K 'legends' whose output puts them squarely in the 1966 era:

The Action (limp, impotent versions of songs - vastly inferior to the originals)
John's Children (over-rated to the max (lame, truthfully)
Georgie Fame (VERY over-rated...and goofy/boring)
 
Moby Grape. I pull their LPs out occasionally to relisten & they do nothing for me. I keep thinking someday it will click but I don't even like cover versions of their songs by bands I love like The Move.
I've come to appreciate the first 3 Jefferson Airplane LPs, the Charlatans, Buffalo Springfield over the years but I think I've given up on Moby Grape
I agree...overrated
 
Love and Music Machine were both brilliant, compared to the Grateful Dead, Lovin' Spoonful, Jefferson Airplane, Big Brother & Holding Co., Country Joe & The Fish, Quicksilver Messenger Service, Steve Miller Band, Doors, Byrds, Buffalo Springfield, Mamas & Papas, Canned Heat, Santana, Charlatans, Cream, Butterfield Blues Band, Simon & Garfunkel, New Vaudeville Band, Association, Sonny & Cher, Moody Blues, Tom Jones, Peter & Gordon, Seekers, Elvis, Righteous Brothers...

No not every track by those bands was totally bad, but taking their entire output by comparison...you sit through the Moody Blues and Grateful Dead entire catalogs, and I'll sit through the Music Machine and Love. See who cracks first.

I admit the term "1966 era bands" was very vague, but I think what I was going for was groups that actually did make contributions to the garage/punk/psychedelic genre, and could be considered "major" because they recorded at least one album and had a national or international presence - not simply every band extant in 1966.
 
I admit the term "1966 era bands" was very vague, but I think what I was going for was groups that actually did make contributions to the garage/punk/psychedelic genre, and could be considered "major" because they recorded at least one album and had a national or international presence - not simply every band extant in 1966.
I thought you might have meant that. But there just aren't enough examples of bad '66 major garage-style bands. In fact, there aren't any at all. "Least favourite" is what you did ask for. So my least favourite is probably the Syndicate Of Sound. Because they only had 3 or 4 decent songs, and even those are a bit annoying.
 
I thought you might have meant that. But there just aren't enough examples of bad '66 major garage-style bands. In fact, there aren't any at all. "Least favourite" is what you did ask for. So my least favourite is probably the Syndicate Of Sound. Because they only had 3 or 4 decent songs, and even those are a bit annoying.

Rumors, Mary and Keep It Up by the Syndicate of Sound are true favorites of mine. I need to listen to their catalog more. It’s been years since I’ve spun their discs but I don’t recall any annoying songs, at least not like Winchester Cathedral or Ian Whitcomb annoying.
 
Moby Grape wins with an honorable mention to the Royal Guardsmen.

Funny thing is… that the reviewers that praised “Forever Changes” as some life-changer (I even liked “Four Sail” better) are usually the same people that think “Odyssey and Oracle” is the best Zombies material.
 
I must be in the minority here, as I love many of the bands mentioned the most in this thread, particularly Love, Moby Grape, and Music Machine. I’d take Moby Grape over the Grateful Dead any day, although I do enjoy the latter’s self-titled debut quite a bit.
 
Moby Grape wins with an honorable mention to the Royal Guardsmen.

Funny thing is… that the reviewers that praised “Forever Changes” as some life-changer (I even liked “Four Sail” better) are usually the same people that think “Odyssey and Oracle” is the best Zombies material.

I mostly agree on the Royal Guardsmen, although I admit a couple of their songs have snuck onto my playlists over the years: “Leaving Me” (nice fuzz guitar) and my personal favorite “Any Wednesday,” which is excellent pop of the jangly variety.

I can listen endlessly to “Forever Changes,” but personally would not rate “Odessey and Oracle” as being better then “Begin Here.”
 
I like the Royal Guardsmen, too. Their catalog isn’t deep but there’s a handful of good songs, including in my opinion Snoopy vs. the Red Baron, Snoopy’s Christmas and the already mentioned Leaving Me and Any Wednesday. I’ll even throw in their version of Baby Let’s Wait.
 
Steve Miller (Blues Band, shudder) is the one I would rate at the very bottom of the heap, managing the not inconsiderable feat of coming across as being both unbearably pompous and risibly facile & opportunistic whilst simultaneously failing to produce a single song of merit or note. Space Cowboy, Gangster Of Love, or, g*d forbid Children Of The Future. Perhaps Millers most significant accomplishment was actually getting worse as the years passed by. By the mid 70's he was a plague on the airwaves peddling his unadulterated ear poison. An appalling litany of auditory shame will serve as his eternal legacy...

For me many of the west coast bands had their moments, though admittedly most lost the thread fairly early on. Country Joe and the Fish provided several examples of ***** psychedelic guitar with Bass Strings & Section 43 being two, with either the Rag Baby EP or mono 1st LP versions being to my particular taste. The Grateful Dead - Cream Puff War / Golden Road 45 is a perfectly acceptable example of circa 1966 SF rock. Jorma & Jack delivered high quality goods on any number of Jefferson Airplane releases.

What really churns my innards are essentially any vocals that might be described as blue eyed or even just bluesy, with the notable exception of several Young Rascals ( when they were young ) 65 - 66 era tracks.
 
Who is your least favorite and why?

Love had a few good songs, of course, but for the most part, I find their albums rather lame and their reputation completely overblown. Arthur's lyrics are utter nonsense about 95% of the time, I hate his song titles, and his vocal style on things like "Message to Pretty" are so overwrought and fake. The Rising Storm's cover of the latter is far superior to the original.

"My Little Red Book." A "rock" version of this Burt Bacharach pop/jazz tune is a weird way for one of LA's supposed premier rock bands to make their debut. Unfortunately, Arthur did not take a lesson from Bacharach here and teach himself how to write bridges for songs. It also demonstrates the group's love for jazz songs and chords was present from the start, not something that only developed during the second album.

First album: does Echols ever take a guitar solo? Once or twice, both forgettable. No surprise that Forssi plays "lead bass" for the entire album -- he's very good, but lead bass is not really a thing for 1966 music. "Hey Joe" is destroyed by all three Leaves versions. Echols claims that the Leaves learned the song from Love. The lead bass is the only thing that makes Love's version worth hearing.

Best song on the album by far is "My Flash on You," though it's just "Hey Joe" with different lyrics. No bridge again. Lead bass again.

The second album moves into jazz-rock. I guess it's OK if you're into jazz-rock. I'm not. "Revelation" is indisputably garbage -- not even the band's staunchest supporters can defend this -- but most of side one is also pretty forgettable, with "lead flute" and more forgettable lyrics. The words to "Orange Skies" sound like a 7-year-old wrote them, and Arthur's vocals on this are so absurd they MUST have been intended as a joke. The drumming is way better than the first album and Forssi is still good on bass. But can I get a guitar solo? Please? Side 1's only rocker is "7 and 7 Is" which was a single and anachronistic on this album. "The Castle" is melodically very interesting but Arthur's lyrics are, as usual, forgettable nonsense ("Goin' back to Mother / Leaving on the double / Think I'll go to Mexico"). The flute/sax overpowers everything, not in a good way.

The third album? They showed up so strung on heroin that they couldn't even carry a tune, so the label had to hire the Wrecking Crew until they could clean themselves up. More jazz-rock. Too much acoustic guitar, too much trumpet, too many violins. Forgettable lyrics. No more lead bass, which is too bad since Ken Forssi's musicianship is ultimately the only memorable aspect of this band.

Arthur Lee was the coolest rock star of the late 1960s hands-down. An amazingly versatile singer and a unique songwriter who had a big influence on a lot of my favourite 60s Texas and Louisiana garage combos. Johnny Echols (like Robbie Krieger) was a refreshingly versatile guitarist who didn't repeat and recycle every single 'Matt Murphy via Jeff Beck' blues-rock lead guitar cliche that most garage band pickers relied on for dynamics and dramatic effect. I love The Sonics and The Zakary Thaks as much as anyone, but it was (and remains) inspiring to hear more advanced players who are comfortable with minor chords and jazz changes doing 'our' kind of music. And the conspicuous lack of the usual tired hippie/counterculture platitudes elevates Love to the sparsely-populated musical plateau occupied by The Thirteenth Floor Elevators and very few other groups where authentically psychedelic music could coexist with pop/rock and roll without sounding like a bunch of pussy-assed hippies or half-assed college kids whining about pussy-assed hippie crapola...especially back in 1966-1970. Bryan MacLean? Well, I really can't vouch for that guy. Arthur did manage to sing his wimpy songs better than he did, however. Yet more proof of Lee's immense talent.
 
Moby Grape wins with an honorable mention to the Royal Guardsmen.

Funny thing is… that the reviewers that praised “Forever Changes” as some life-changer (I even liked “Four Sail” better) are usually the same people that think “Odyssey and Oracle” is the best Zombies material.

Four Sail is the best U.S. rock album of 1969/1970. It's still great despite the dated 'Beatles' moves on a couple of songs.
 
I like the Royal Guardsmen, too. Their catalog isn’t deep but there’s a handful of good songs, including in my opinion Snoopy vs. the Red Baron, Snoopy’s Christmas and the already mentioned Leaving Me and Any Wednesday. I’ll even throw in their version of Baby Let’s Wait.

Quentin Tarantino apparently likes them (and Paul Revere & The Raiders!)