NEW COMP: REVENGE '66 lim. edn (300) 60s garage LP

Phil Istine said:
Each generation needs its garage series, why not give the current generation one to get excited about? You will do it properly and get the kudos for it from those who haven't a clue who you are. Those that know you will feel safe to buy it anyway!!
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THIS is a great way to put it!
Pop culture has to do with topicality/currentness (whatever the right term). Even if it's "only" about a retro culture. Maybe you're too much of a researcher/scholar to understand that, Mike. No offense.
Just interested, what is Tim Warren saying about this whole matter? He already came up with some striking ideas in the field of garage comp making, didn't he?

"Why not give the current generation something to get excited about..."
 
Michael W said:
The Gyro series went up to about 175 volumes & I didn't hear anyone complaining about that.
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Who knows Gyro to begin with? That is not about pop culture, releasing records or anything. That is about hoarding music. Again, no offense.
 
Re-recording for me sounds like a sonic nightmare!
But cleaning up etc. sometimes makes quite a difference!
AZ54
 
Phil Istine said:
Each generation needs its garage series, why not give the current generation one to get excited about?
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I must say that I agree with this. If I was a newbie who was about to buy a TS comp I'd probably go with, say, no. 1? At least one of the early volumes. There's something overwhelming when it comes to a huge catalogue. That means a lot of potential buyers might not be getting this, only the people who picked up the previous volumes years ago. I guess it kinda makes sense if you reissue the old volumes though, I sure will be getting some of the ones I'm missing. Looking forward to those janglers...!
 
I personally don't care for a new series name/title. Resurrecting an old standard is pretty cool at this stage. I've already told a few friends about the new TS and they are so pumped. All of them including (myself) will be getting a copy of it when it's available. Putting out a new Shutdown definitely gets our attentions. We're all from the younger generations BTW ;)
 
I'll say this about an established compilation series:
If you consider yourself a real fan for the sounds of what we now call '60s garage music, you'll buy each and every volume. If you don't have the money, you'll find the means to purchase every volume. I and others did so back in the old days, whenever times were tight. The music was what drove us to discover more unheard sounds.
This "younger generation not willing to buy more than a couple numbered volumes" argument is ridiculous.
There is simply no better time to be getting into this music, if you are young, and or new to the sounds.
All of the hard work has been done for you. No more need to find unknown 45s and trade them with other collectors in order to hear unfamiliar songs in order to build a collection, as we had to do 25-30 years ago. You've got the 'net as a source, plus 1000s of compilations. Real fans want to hear just about everything.
 
axel said:
Who knows Gyro to begin with? That is not about pop culture, releasing records or anything. That is about hoarding music. Again, no offense.
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Well, once again, you've shown your ignorance....

It's not about hoarding. Gyro's CD series, as I've said elsewhere in other threads on this forum, and the defunct Garage Punk forum, came about when he and I shared our collections. Several years were spent making dubs from our 45s onto CDs. At the time, the stand-alone CD recording deck was a new item, and Gyro made the purchase of a unit before I did. Whenever I went to visit I brought along a bin of 45s to record. The resulted pooling of our then collections resulted in 300 CDs, roughly.
Gyro decided to upload the CDs on the Twilight Zone blog, which was a noble effort to share the music. The fire went out for me when those who were eagerly downloading seemed to care more about "when are you uploading the next batch? (Gimmie gimmie MORE!)" instead of taking in the offered downloads. Gyro felt pressured to keep up the endless flow, I told him to take it easy and not bow down to the entitlement generation. He eventually tired of the whole effort.

Because Gyro didn't start his own label for a commercial venture (he already owns his own venture), he is therefore different than Norton, Crypt or Ace, and branded by you as a hoarder? He offered his collection for free download - I'd think you would have shoved your way to the front of the line when it was all happening. After all, the entitlement generation tag rings true in response to your statement. No offense...
 
Teenage Shutdown, the best garagecomp. series ever alongside BFTG, should keep it´s name Teenage Shutdown, period! I´ll bet a new TS volume (#16) would still manage sell 1000+ copies on vinyl, a brand new series, maybe 3-500 copies.

I bought them all back then, even dupes on CD. I see friends crab (rarely seen) copies at recordfairs/stores in pure reflex movement, just because TS = quality stamp .

Who´s the new generation btw? Who´s there to "please"? The one´s who don´t care? The one´s who change their scene more often than their trousers?
 
axel said:
Who knows Gyro to begin with? That is not about pop culture, releasing records or anything. That is about hoarding music. Again, no offense.
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Hoarding (perjorative) is amassing stuff without regard to quality, value or usefulness. It's a mental illness.
 
rev.sideburn said:
Who´s the new generation btw? Who´s there to "please"? The one´s who don´t care? The one´s who change their scene more often than their trousers?
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Thanks Rev. , that's exactly how I feel . I'm also getting a bit irritated by all the talk about business plans and marketing strategies . I think for this little corner of the music universe top quality of material and sound is all you need .
 
MopTopMike said:
Well, once again, you've shown your ignorance....

It's not about hoarding. Gyro's CD series, as I've said elsewhere in other threads on this forum, and the defunct Garage Punk forum, came about when he and I shared our collections. Several years were spent making dubs from our 45s onto CDs. At the time, the stand-alone CD recording deck was a new item, and Gyro made the purchase of a unit before I did. Whenever I went to visit I brought along a bin of 45s to record. The resulted pooling of our then collections resulted in 300 CDs, roughly.
Gyro decided to upload the CDs on the Twilight Zone blog, which was a noble effort to share the music. The fire went out for me when those who were eagerly downloading seemed to care more about "when are you uploading the next batch? (Gimmie gimmie MORE!)" instead of taking in the offered downloads. Gyro felt pressured to keep up the endless flow, I told him to take it easy and not bow down to the entitlement generation. He eventually tired of the whole effort.

Because Gyro didn't start his own label for a commercial venture (he already owns his own venture), he is therefore different than Norton, Crypt or Ace, and branded by you as a hoarder? He offered his collection for free download - I'd think you would have shoved your way to the front of the line when it was all happening. After all, the entitlement generation tag rings true in response to your statement. No offense...
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If "hoarding" means that the guys with the records are reluctant or not willing to share - I must be missing something here. I've known MTM for close to 30 years & I can tell you first hand there is NOBODY that is more benevolent & willing to share his collection. I don't think some of you have any idea how many great sides you have been listening to have come from his library. Long ago (3 or 4 years) there was an earlier forum here where homemade comps were circulated on what seemed like a weekly basis. Between eargasm, Rich Strauss, Mans, Bosshoss and my old pal Masterbeat64 there were well over 75 such comps that were free for the asking.

Nodody "owes" it to anyone else to make their libraries available to others, but don't mention any of these guys in the same breath as "hoarding".

MTM is right when he says all the tough work has been done & how easy it is today to hear a high percentage of the top sides. There will always be a certain number of records that the public will never get to hear, but in my opinion - we have easy access to probably 90% of the really crucial sides due to most of these guys.

Yeah, there are record psychos out there - ever try dealing with some of those that collect R&B, vocal groups & gospel sides ? Some of them won't even let their friends see the records, never mind hear & dub them.

Ah, for the days before "The Downloader Sect" & the "you owe us" mentality that seem to be around!

OK - off the soapbox -
Ned
 
AZ54 said:
Re-recording for me sounds like a sonic nightmare!
But cleaning up etc. sometimes makes quite a difference!
AZ54
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Your avatar looks nice. Is that some release or did you put the font on top? Looks extremely stylish.
 
MopTopMike said:
Well, once again, you've shown your ignorance....
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Yeah, sure. But sometimes your dismissive comments can be quite inspiring. The first album of The Royal Flares (we just recorded in a historic building of the German railroad, with a high ceiling- hereby thanks to Tom Kirby for the advice) will presumably be called:
"Tales Of Sound And Fury". The first song being "Signifying Nothing" (ass-kicking as '60s Garage Punk can be these days, believe me). A very personal statement, as you can imagine...

If only you would try to argue and not pick out a single word and build a whole lecture around it.

1."Hoarding": was certainly not addressing Gyro. Sharing his music (in whatever format) is a noble effort of the highest order. Same goes for you, of course.
You put it perfectly well who is meant:
"when are you uploading the next batch? (Gimmie gimmie MORE!)" instead of taking in the offered downloads.
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"Gimmie gimmie MORE!" If that is not hoarding I don't know what is. So you see where something like the Gyro series can lead to. This is actually what I was talking about. "Hoarding" as opposed to "culture".

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I'd think you would have shoved your way to the front of the line when it was all happening. After all, the entitlement generation tag rings true in response to your statement.
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You couldn't be wronger. Let me tell you something: I PAID for about 98% of all the music I have. With two exceptions:
a) records that people gave me as birthday presents or out of generosity
b) believe it or not: the "Gyro Series". I bought an external hard disk drive just to download it. It took me about a month. And you know what? It's gathering dust on the shelve.
I burnt one CD of one of the first volumes and it didn't work for me as a compilation. I couldn't enjoy it. The lack of a concept. It only confirmed my attitude towards downloads: I avoid them whenever possible.
So don't ever call me part of the "Entitled Generation" again. Whoever you want, but not me.
I GLADLY pay for music. I'm glad if it's not expensive, because my purse is small. But I PAY. Because I want to OWN. I don't give a shit about downloading. If someone gives something to me personally I gladly accept it, of course.

3. You say I'm not a fan, because I'm not as eager to have everything? Briefly speaking: I don't care what you say. I know what I am. I don't need your legitimization.

4. One last word on Teenage Shutdown and just for now I want to be explicit:
Tim Warren got angry about "Revenge 66"? He wanted to react? A 16th volume of Teenage Shutdown is one hell of a LAME reaction. The reaction should be something like: "Bury 'Revenge 66'!".

Well, burying it under a pile of reruns of the whole series might be an option...

One record at a time. Value. Excitement. Appreciation. I'm sure everybody here has one first '60s garage record that changed his life. Mine was "New Mexico Punk" by EVA records. Do you think a 16th volume of Teenage Shutdown can do this to anyone?

I will not bother you with this anymore. You know, I really don't care. I will get the 16th volume of TS anyway. Probably not soon. If CRYPT would release a new concept, a new statement, THEN and ONLY then I would "shove my way to the front of the line when it is HAPPENING." Because I want to see it, feel it, read the liners, preferably Tim Warren's hate- and joyful rants. Because THAT is what pop culture is all about.

Axel,
off the soapbox
(sorry Ned, you're not speaking off the soapbox, you're sitting up there with the authorities; but never mind, I appreciate the way you raise your voice)

P.S.: And now I'm gonna open a bottle of beer (after a long nightshift), relax and listen to some good ole Jerry Jeff Walker: "BEIN' FREE".
Being free.
"Where is the D.A.R. when you really need them?" Hell, right! Rock on!
 
axel said:
Your avatar looks nice. Is that some release or did you put the font on top? Looks extremely stylish.
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Thanks, Axel. Just a picture of one of my favourite bands I found somewhere on the internet: Baroque Monthly - and forget where (sorry).
AZ54
 
axel said:
I'm sure everybody here has one first '60s garage record that changed his life. Mine was "New Mexico Punk" by EVA records. Do you think a 16th volume of Teenage Shutdown can do this to anyone?
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Depends what tracks are included.

axel said:
Because I want to see it, feel it, read the liners, preferably Tim Warren's hate- and joyful rants. Because THAT is what pop culture is all about.
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I think that's a strange viewpoint Axel, to see '60s garage comps such as Teenage Shutdown as an example of what pop culture is all about, in 2011. I can hardly imagine anything less pop, as it's showcasing music that is neither popular nor contemporary.
 
bosshoss said:
I think that's a strange viewpoint Axel, to see '60s garage comps such as Teenage Shutdown as an example of what pop culture is all about, in 2011.
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:) Strange maybe, yeah, but it's my point of view. In 2011 almost everything can be an example of what pop culture is all about.
I met some "indie" kids recently, well not really kids, people in their mid-20s maybe, who just found out about 60s garage sounds. They haven't got a clue about the background, they just feel that the energy is right and that it's an alternative to the sterile mix of guitars and electronics that was popular in the recent years. A D-Jane just moved from England back to Munich because she was fed up with the whole indie scene. She says 60s garage sounds are what she wants to get into.
After the so called "Garage Punk" of the first decade of this century, constantly turning into a mixture of guitars and electronics, 60s garage sounds appear as something more "real" to those people, it seems. You heard about "Indietronics"? People who were fans of Mando Diao, Kings of Leon etc. are fed up with this and want to get back to real guitar sounds and what they find is 60s garage sounds. Some of them, at least.
My impressions of the ongoing "scene", just in short.
"Pop" is a very general term for me. Something really small can be the ultimate pop experience, as long as it comes from the heart and has a certain appeal. I'm really not "changing the scenes faster than my trousers", I'm also into totally obscure stuff noone else cares about, I do what I like, but since two years or so 60s garage music sounds amazingly fresh to me.
 
I don't really understand this "discussion" at all. A new great comp! Great! The friggin name? Come on guys... it's 'potaoe/potato'. I'm gonna get it regardless of name cause I wanna hear the music. I don't care if it will change the life for some snotty kid or not. Great if it does, but as far as I know Youtube can change lives... Noone released The Sonics - Original punk rock fropm the 60's to change my life - it happened anyway. And that is one ugly LP sleeve. I have no idea who/where I'd be if I was 16 today, and I'm sure as hell not gonna pretend that I do.
PS Axel - sometimes it IS a bit hard to get your points. I also read the remark about 'hoarding' as you meant Gyro was the 'hoarder'. Sometimes the meaning gets lost when expressed in writing, with an ocean inbetween people, language barriers etc.
Who's to say that some people won't buy TS 16... go 'whooooaaaa!' and start looking for the preceeding volumes? I know I probably would. The first Pebbles volume I bought was #9 when it was new. It made me look up all the earlier ones and get'em. Why wouldn't some people do the same with TS? It's a much better series over all than for example Pebbles.
 
mansson66 said:
The Sonics - Original punk rock fropm the 60's to change my life - it happened anyway. And that is one ugly LP sleeve.
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Come on, Mans- The Sonics' "Boom"? That is the ultimate record sleeve!

I don't say anything more about TS. Do whatever you please. I for one will buy it, of course.
I gotta go to bed now. It's past noon, and I'm still after the nightshift...

Have a nice day everybody!
 
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