New comp: The Dark Side – 30 Sixties Garage Punk and Psych Monsters (CD/2LP)

Anyone who is righteously offended by unlicenced comps should immediately destroy all of their unlicenced comps. And ask themselves why they bought them in the first place. Then seek out the copyright holders and offer compensation for the music obtained and presumably enjoyed without licence. And you should never watch any unlicenced videos or music clips on youtube ever again. Otherwise, please refrain from the sickening hypocrisy and virtue signaling.
 
Anyone who is righteously offended by unlicenced comps should immediately destroy all of their unlicenced comps. And ask themselves why they bought them in the first place. Or seek out the copyright holders and offer compensation for the music obtained and presumably enjoyed without licence. And you should never watch any unlicenced videos on youtube ever again. Otherwise, please refrain from the sickening hypocrisy and virtue signalling.
Not sure where the others are coming from, I just think it's weird plastering your name all over a bootleg. I have more bootlegs on cd than anyone on earth. So I'm not anti bootleg per say. I'm anti-bootleg when they act like it's legit. I'm with Mike, if ya have to bootleg this stuff cause you want to share it with the world, ok. but if you're not going to release this stuff properly, then please don't put your name all over it and act like it's legit. That's all I'm saying. And as far as the TONY THE TIGER cds I was only responding to Chas' post.
 
The point of discussion centers around the question of whether or not the comp is licensed.
I'm just pointing out that paying the Harry Fox Agency does not mean the compilation isn't a bootleg.
Whether or not you support or decry bootlegs is your own choice. As I posted, I do not care one way or the other about the Dark side comp. No one has to buy it.
 
I wouldn't put tony the tiger in with the legit guys, his says tony the tiger presents also, and they are bootlegs. Same if not worse than the DARKSIDE CD. And my stuff is local and even though Alec and I spent over 25 years looking for this stuff it was pretty easy to work deals out with local artists and labels. Tim Warren travelled the highways and biways for this stuff and is the true king.

Tony Tyger's comps are so shitty sound wise, I wouldn't even consider them a breach of any copyright. It's like calling a black & white '70s Xerox of the Mona Lisa a forgery.
 
I've made my views on bootlegs vs perfectly legal comps known elsewhere (buried deep in G45central somewhere), but I'll reiterate.

1) It was bootlegs which virtually created the sixties garage scene. Before that it would have been a handful of collectors who knew about this as-yet-unnamed genre. I for one would never have discovered this magical world of music and would have been stuck listening to classical music. (Because that's the next best thing to garage punk.)

2) If we had to rely on legitimate releases only, most of us would be dead long before we discovered the length and breadth of what is out there.

3) People who give a damn, will still buy a well done legit comp anyway (and people who don't, will be happy with youtube videos), but in the meantime,

4) Bootlegs can be used as a reference to let you know what's out there and what to look for as a collector.
 
Rest assured I'm not upset with anyone. I just wanted to really make the point that Outside Lookin In makes above. Without bootlegs, there would be very limited numbers of 60s garage records in the average collection. Many of the greatest and rarest 45s would also probably have been tossed into landfill, because without exposure via collector comps, they would not have much value. That's not what any of us want, presumably?
 
The point of discussion centers around the question of whether or not the comp is licensed. I'm just pointing out that paying the Harry Fox Agency does not mean the compilation isn't a bootleg. Whether or not you support or decry bootlegs is your own choice. As I posted, I do not care one way or the other about the Dark side comp. No one has to buy it.

When I released my three 60sgaragebands.com CDs, I paid the HFA and the band members (this covers the songwriters for both originals and covers). No...I didn't pay publishing fees, but try to find legal owners when the labels are kaput. I in no way consider my releases bootleg.

But, and let's be honest...other than Ace/Big Beat (and their releases are sometimes years apart), what label is releasing authorized compilations of '60s "garage" music? If we didn't seek out bootlegs, there'd be nothing else to listen to in the garage collecting world.
 
I don't think anyone is arguing the importance of spreading the music around via bootleg comps in the days of olde. There were different, um , levels of approach decades back that some, including me, were vocal about: namely, the cookie cutter / lack of quality control (sound quality from LPs like Boulders, Pebbles) a complaint that was never addressed by the guys who created them. I guess you'd call those guys indifferent and lazy back then. Yet, we still bought them anyway because we wanted to hear the music. You didn't have any other options, unless you became a collector of original 45 pressings and could offer tape trades to guys in the loop. and, believe me, you had to WORK and show your integrity to the elders, like George, Bill N, Mark P, Greg F,....guys who had boatloads of 45s that had not appeared on any compilations, and some have never appeared on any as of 2017. You had to prove to the clan that you weren't going to outright bootleg or share the songs with anyone else. And I do side with this thinking, why should someone else not directly involved put out a bootleg that didn't own the 45s to begin with?

Nearly all of us had desire to put together a decent sounding compilation that was well thought out (Jim A's Off The Wall, Michael T's Chosen Few for example). The latter examples still reign near the top for bootleg compilations. I never bothered doing a comp 25-30 years ago, even though I was urged to do so. I didn't want the headaches and certainly wasn't willing to wait 6 months or longer (read: Get Hip) for payments from distributors so that I could recoup my costs to produce a comp. We all know Tim was the guy who came along and changed the face of compilations for doing it the "right way" in the mid 1980s; no, he didn't start out that way but quickly upped his efforts and it still shows by the fact that his comps continue to sell.

But in 2017? Non-comprehensive compilations of 45s that have been issued elsewhere in the past are like typewriters - not needed in today's world. In the old days, guys who created the bootleg comps did it less for ego and more for sharing. As I posted, 2017 is the perfect time to discover this genre of music. Nearly EVERYTHING can be acquired digitally or if you want vinyl, oldcomps are still relatively inexpensive. And there are dozens of well produced comprehensive assemblies of the music based on label, region, etc. My shelf is full of those CDs and LPs. Besides, most folks who are younger seem to prefer listening to the music in lower bitrate digital quality anyway - hence, youtube streamed while you drive in your car, or streaming via self-owned radio stations.

Every song on Dark Side can be easily found elsewhere, and for free in most cases. It's really silly to me, to think that some young kid is going to have his world changed by buying this comp. At least that's what I seem to infer from the compilers. If anything, we will have DJ-scene people who join G45 in order to post a want list with all of the Dark Side tracks asking to buy them, never offering any other critical or constructive posts.
 
MTM's above post is a much better argument than "it sucks and they suck because maybe it's not properly licenced".
That's funny, I went back and not one person used the term Sucks that I could find. Or anything close to that. :%:
 
There are a few comps of the Brymers on eBay, including one issued by the Brymers! Your offer of the other two CDs for $10 is extremely generous, but postage to Australia would more than double the price unfortunately.