Sig-Heils - WTF!?
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The Swastika stuff mean nothing, but nothing political at all. The older/college kids used it to shock (they are lucky they didnt get their ass kicked by some D-Day vet> For the younger kids, lets face it, swastikas were fun to doodle. Nothing political about it. Everyone in the US, left and right, then and now, hates/hated nazis. And please don't equate nazis with "right wing" in America. Right Wingers dislike big government, don't want to be told what to do. Nazis are big government guys to say the least and they sure as heck told people what to do. Couple more things. The parents wearn't all right wingers, LBJ won in a landslide (and we got Vietnam). in 1965, whites were 90% of the population, 40 of the 50 states had white populations in excess of 95%. So no, there was not a lot hanging out together. Also, in 1965 about 80% of black kids came home from school to a mother and father. Today, sadly, it's about 5%. These are the strange times.
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The Iron cross I own is a world war 1 medal, I dig it.... not cos I am trying to make a statement... I wear it cos it looks goddamn cool on my jacket and well I ilke the imagery somewhat.... it's totally rock n roll, in my mind, when I wear the iron cross, I am in a world which is 1963 - 1966... the world of greasers, the world of dorky 'Ernie Douglas' looking kids with sta-prest pants and loafers, a world of THE SLOTHS makin' time front cover.... I dig the Iron Cross... (Although Axel, I do kinda relate to your medal of youth statement - it's us versus them ha ha )
The Swastika is a taboo symbol these days... sadly the image was ruined by the Nazis - originally it was a Sanskrit emblem for the polar opposite to what Nazis believed/believe.
The New Fourth Reich look killer... note the two REAL PUNKS with their shirts out... shoving it to the man right there.
as for their song 'That Girl' now that's what I am talking about, listen to those harmonies in the chorus, magical... 'we don't need them' what an outsider theme.... I want this 45.
Ross... thanks for the insights, I wasn't suggesting the right wingers were nazis... but yep you're spot on "these times" are the strangest of all times.
The Swastika is a taboo symbol these days... sadly the image was ruined by the Nazis - originally it was a Sanskrit emblem for the polar opposite to what Nazis believed/believe.
The New Fourth Reich look killer... note the two REAL PUNKS with their shirts out... shoving it to the man right there.
as for their song 'That Girl' now that's what I am talking about, listen to those harmonies in the chorus, magical... 'we don't need them' what an outsider theme.... I want this 45.
Ross... thanks for the insights, I wasn't suggesting the right wingers were nazis... but yep you're spot on "these times" are the strangest of all times.
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VERY interesting that you use the term "greasers" in this context!
I have a book called "Street Style" by Ted Polhemus. There's a chapter about a scene called "greasers" in England in the late Sixties. They were wanna-be Hells Angels, sometimes even wanna-be bikers, meaning they didn't even own a bike but dressed like Hells Angels. Some were too young to own a bike anyway.
They were majorly influenced by the movie "Wild Angels".
"Street Style" has a list of some of their favourite sounds:
Bobby Fuller Four- "I Fought The Law"; Nashville Teens- "Tobacco Road"; Rolling Stones- "Paint It Black"; Surfaris- "Wipe Out", Wild Angels- "Nervous Breakdown".
In my mind they were the first real "60s punks". Because not only did they listen to raw and cool sixties rock'n'roll, but they also adopted the radical outsider image of the Hells Angels. Svastikas and Iron Crosses were a common thing, as they were for the Hells Angels' appearance.
I couldn't find much about this scene in the net. Does anybody have more information about the "greasers" in England in the late sixties?
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note.. my error... I meant 'Makin Love'.
Axel.... this book sounds fascinating, I may purchase it.
Im really into the various sub-culture of American teenager from 56 - 67..... I have a kinship to obviously the 65-66 teens, but really dig the idea of the "greasers" from a few years earlier, listening to doo-wop, listening to early rock n roll 45s.
I like the idea of the surf teens, really like their fashions, kinda dig the pendleton shirts, the surfer shirts, the stripy t-shirts etc.
even the ivy league and jock looks of 60s America really flip my lid... far moreso than the British mods and rocker fan fare.... the only Brit scene I really dig are the 50s and 60s jazz heads and also the coffee house folk heads of the early to mid 60s, who seemed more REAL to their believes than the mods and rockers.
Axel.... this book sounds fascinating, I may purchase it.
Im really into the various sub-culture of American teenager from 56 - 67..... I have a kinship to obviously the 65-66 teens, but really dig the idea of the "greasers" from a few years earlier, listening to doo-wop, listening to early rock n roll 45s.
I like the idea of the surf teens, really like their fashions, kinda dig the pendleton shirts, the surfer shirts, the stripy t-shirts etc.
even the ivy league and jock looks of 60s America really flip my lid... far moreso than the British mods and rocker fan fare.... the only Brit scene I really dig are the 50s and 60s jazz heads and also the coffee house folk heads of the early to mid 60s, who seemed more REAL to their believes than the mods and rockers.
paul messis
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I'm talking about American greasers haha
the UK variants I suppose were quite cool in their day, I admit, I like the motorcycles, the Triumph Bonnivilles etc, that kinda thing was pretty interesting.
the UK variants I suppose were quite cool in their day, I admit, I like the motorcycles, the Triumph Bonnivilles etc, that kinda thing was pretty interesting.
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Fuck dem Iron Cross clad greasers here are thee motherfuckin' Vice Lords Chicago's finest street gang ever. A sociological study from the 60's that is hilarious in it's professorial terminology of the gangs slang in the glossary. The interviews with the gang members are wonderful. This is what half Pint & The Fifths had to cross to get to Orlyn Studio.
I have a Golden Twist Medal, I guess given away as a prize at a twist marathon, that is way more Punk to wear than any medal of Germanic Heroism. Wussies wearing Daddies war plunder.
axel
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No need to get angry. This has nothing to do with Germanic heroism.
If it was the Hells Angels who started that Iron Cross thing, it's also incorrect. A lot of them were ex-soldiers. A lot of them were probably racist, too, I don't know. But that's not the point.
As Paul said, in this context the Iron Cross is totally devoid of any political implication. It's just a matter of style. Similar to the Mod Target in that respect.
If it was to have any political implication it would be that of being politically not classifiable. What is anybody to make of a guy with a moptop and an Iron Cross? To have that impact on people is actually a lot of fun. :)
Don't ever take that serious, please. Kids foolin around, that's all it is.
Anyway that street gang book looks interesting.
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I'm taking the piss Axel.
but it is kinda more edgy than the iron cross.
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I'm surprised that no one has posted this pic of the Better Half Dozen. I first saw this in the 1980s in Doug Hanners Not Fade Away I believe.
I remember this pic in the fab Brown Paper Sack 'zine
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That is an Organ under that flag for sure, every organ player had a tambourine on top of one. Even I'd say that was Edgy ....not just a medal but the whole freaking get up.
Something I'd say as an immigrant to the USA, is that a lot of Americans seem obsessed about flying the flag. I'd say driving down my holler 1/2 the house have the stars n' stripes flapping, we at the Hogwash Hovel fly the Jolly ol' Roger and get disapproving looks.
So I guess the flying of another flag was punk a up yours to the older generation, "we fought a war so you could be free you ungrateful thug......"
Axel that shot is bad but the album is part of Steve Garrick and the Party Twisters
http://artworkbymanicmark.blogspot.com/2011/06/come-on-everybody-lets-twist.html
Not a great album but I am a twisted twisting twist lover.
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I have an Iron Cross shaped display case filled with Iron Crosses, and no, I am not a Nazi.
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Article about Swasticas & Juvenile Proto Punk bands
http://delincuenciayunderground.blogspot.mx/2012/10/swastica-punks.html
http://delincuenciayunderground.blogspot.mx/2012/10/swastica-punks.html
HarvestmanMan
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And, on the other side of the coin, you have the Cords, who were Franciscan monks.
