Rich Strauss
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It's on page 166 of TBM in alphabetical order.
Surprise, surprise - idle chatter about TBM
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For anyone with a copy of TeenBeat Mayhem! who is steadfast / interested / obsessed, etc.
The following pdf file below contains the single digit numeric song rating corrections for the 1st half of the alphabet
(A thru L).
This includes TBM and Beyond TBM, and the "It's Not Over Yet" late additions A thru L. Corrections for letters M thru Z will be published together when completed, perhaps as long a wait as full year from this date.
A to L Ratings Corrections
These changes resulted from the re-entering of vote breakdown tallies into the javascript tabulator, something I did not have during the time of constructing TBM. Back then, the math was done via a regular calculator and sometimes results were unknowingly rounded, yielding a different numeric value. The javascript tabulator does not round off decimal values.
Decimal values to the tenth place (6.0, 3.3) will replace the single number, to be depicted whenever the A thru Z on-line only update is completed and unveiled.
'Til then, correct your own copy of the book(s), provided you have the inclination do to so!
The following pdf file below contains the single digit numeric song rating corrections for the 1st half of the alphabet
(A thru L).
This includes TBM and Beyond TBM, and the "It's Not Over Yet" late additions A thru L. Corrections for letters M thru Z will be published together when completed, perhaps as long a wait as full year from this date.
A to L Ratings Corrections
These changes resulted from the re-entering of vote breakdown tallies into the javascript tabulator, something I did not have during the time of constructing TBM. Back then, the math was done via a regular calculator and sometimes results were unknowingly rounded, yielding a different numeric value. The javascript tabulator does not round off decimal values.
Decimal values to the tenth place (6.0, 3.3) will replace the single number, to be depicted whenever the A thru Z on-line only update is completed and unveiled.
'Til then, correct your own copy of the book(s), provided you have the inclination do to so!
Outside_Lookin_in
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I guess this is largely irrelevant to BTBM, which is what I use for rating purposes. Nice of you to provide it, anyway.
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If I read Mike's post correctly, the new PDF list includes corrections for both TBM and Beyond TBM.
Outside_Lookin_in
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I should have stipulated the rankings list. The amendments only deal with full listing, rounded off ratings.
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Yes, BTBM contains 90% of these ratings corrections, but I found a few after publication that slipped thru the proofing. A few duplicated ranked titles, for instance, plus a handful of ratings resulting from typos.
I realize the number of people who would care about this are less than a dozen, but of those folks, half are as "centrally focused" as I.
Regardless, the on-line mega-merge / update for the A thru Z USA listing will rectify everything with a visual decimal format rating and allow for immediate updates / corrections.
I realize the number of people who would care about this are less than a dozen, but of those folks, half are as "centrally focused" as I.
Regardless, the on-line mega-merge / update for the A thru Z USA listing will rectify everything with a visual decimal format rating and allow for immediate updates / corrections.
Outside_Lookin_in
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I was comparing the three versions of the Leaves - Hey Joe tonight to determine which one is best. According to BTBM they are ranked as follows:
Mira 207 [stock] 6.8
Mira 207 [promo] 7.9
Mira 222 8.3
I agree with the relative ranking of 207 [stock], but to my ears 207 [promo] has more energy and punk attitude than 222. While 222 has better production, I can't understand anyone ranking it above 207 [promo] from a garage perspective.
By the way, does anyone know which version came out on Sparton 1463?
Mira 207 [stock] 6.8
Mira 207 [promo] 7.9
Mira 222 8.3
I agree with the relative ranking of 207 [stock], but to my ears 207 [promo] has more energy and punk attitude than 222. While 222 has better production, I can't understand anyone ranking it above 207 [promo] from a garage perspective.
By the way, does anyone know which version came out on Sparton 1463?
Dave Baldwin
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If I remember correctly, it was the 222 "hit" version with Bob Arlin. Don't have it anymore to check.
Outside_Lookin_in
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That would make sense.
Their Eminence was NOT a studio project only. They came from Van Nuys CA, and played around
Cali, as well as opening for the 5th Dimension in Minnesota(!) once. I've seen pics in an old college paper of that show.
PS. This is nerdery in action, folks.
Cali, as well as opening for the 5th Dimension in Minnesota(!) once. I've seen pics in an old college paper of that show.
PS. This is nerdery in action, folks.
Outside_Lookin_in
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Oddly, I'm getting a notification that you quoted my post, Mikael, but obviously you didn't. Must be a bug in the system. I've had it happen a few times before.
Dave Baldwin
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In historic Charles County, Maryland.
Laurent Bigot
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sorry if this had been answered before (and may even have been among the tracks you later sent to some of us Mike) but is it confirmed that this is the Mersey Sounds?
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Thanks, Mike, yes, continuously working as often as I can to have the A thru Z U.S. listings up and on-line.
This way, it will be easy to correct / add / update as necessary. I am most sure when it will be ready, but I will let everyone know.
Looks now like early 2019.
And, perhaps most important to nearly everyone, it will be FREE. This is only for the A to Z listings, and not the entire book. The books (both) will not be available for on-line viewing, and they will not be reprinted or updated.
Now, to answer some points brought up by mikael:
Many As and Bs are reversed too. Does the author care anymore?
I am very busy of late and do not have time to log in on G45 as I used to do in years past.
Unlike some folks, I do not stay logged in on websites.
As for the A and B side situation, if you read (or bothered to read) the "Reverbaration" chapter in TBM:
There are a few situations which contradict the established accuracy credo set forth previously.
Of course, there are some exceptions:
* Another significant deviation concerns the song titles for each 45 by the group/artist. Normally, a discography would list the officially designated “A” and “B” sides in proper order; here the more “recognizable” title is first, or the side that is garage-sounding.
As I have stated before on the forum (search the old G 45 forum as well), when I started to compile listings, I had no intention of adding ratings for songs, or descriptions. I chose to place the "garage" titled side first, or the more recognizeable garage song first, regardless of whether or not the song was a designated A or B side. This allowed a reader to discern the better side, especially if he / she was unfamiliar with a 45.
Of course, it would have been far too much of a time consuming hassle to go back and correct everything to list A and B sides as they were intended by the record label once pages were expanded upon with number ratings and descriptions prior to layout work for printing of the book. I put the clarification note in "Reverbaration". Despite doing so, I cannot count the number of times I've gotten the comment "A and B sides are wrong", like mikael's recent point. I guess people have short or no attention spans anymore to bother to read and find out why that might be before sending a comment?
I do appreciate and credit accordingly any corrections to previously published information (the on-line update will have extensive credits, including tributes to my own "garage" mentors in this project).
I will have an updated e-mail address in conjunction with the TBM website - the website will be unveiled when the on-line update is available for downloading / on-line viewing.
For now, feel free to post anything here on G45. I will see it and add to my list to verify / check. I may not respond directly to the post, so don't think I am ignoring any post. Especially if I do not answer in rapid fashion. I do not use a smartphone for internet stuff; I only use my laptop.
If you do submit a correction, like a location for a listing that differs from what you see documented in TBM or Beyond TeenBeat Mayhem, please show your source, so that I can verify where you got this information from with my own documentation. I do make mistakes, as I humbly admit!
As to the Hi-Notes - Ocean City, Maryland? That is quite a distance away (across from the water inlet) from Silver Spring, Maryland. I'd be curious to know the source here. My own source is the copyright certificates for both songs, and a band member interview from 1996:
"Without You (Darling I Would die) EU 892510 dated July 15, 1965 shows songwriters and group members Bob Yesbeck, Jr and Ken Kaplan living in Silver Spring, Maryland (on Brunswick and Brewster Avenues). The certificate was mailed to Bob Yesbeck at the same address.
"Goodbye Baby" EU 900896 dated September 3, 1965 songwriter and group member Richard Johnston was living in Silver Spring, Maryland, certificate was mailed back to him at the same street address (Georgia Avenue).
When I first extracted this information, I managed to locate and contact Bob Yesbeck for an interview; he provided details and several photos of varying quality. Of course, this was done long before the internet age. Bob never mentioned anything about the Hi-Notes relocating to another city. He said they were indeed from Silver Spring and played in and around the Washington DC area, including the famed teen club as pictured on the LP comp, "Signed DC".
This way, it will be easy to correct / add / update as necessary. I am most sure when it will be ready, but I will let everyone know.
Looks now like early 2019.
And, perhaps most important to nearly everyone, it will be FREE. This is only for the A to Z listings, and not the entire book. The books (both) will not be available for on-line viewing, and they will not be reprinted or updated.
Now, to answer some points brought up by mikael:
Many As and Bs are reversed too. Does the author care anymore?
I am very busy of late and do not have time to log in on G45 as I used to do in years past.
Unlike some folks, I do not stay logged in on websites.
As for the A and B side situation, if you read (or bothered to read) the "Reverbaration" chapter in TBM:
There are a few situations which contradict the established accuracy credo set forth previously.
Of course, there are some exceptions:
* Another significant deviation concerns the song titles for each 45 by the group/artist. Normally, a discography would list the officially designated “A” and “B” sides in proper order; here the more “recognizable” title is first, or the side that is garage-sounding.
As I have stated before on the forum (search the old G 45 forum as well), when I started to compile listings, I had no intention of adding ratings for songs, or descriptions. I chose to place the "garage" titled side first, or the more recognizeable garage song first, regardless of whether or not the song was a designated A or B side. This allowed a reader to discern the better side, especially if he / she was unfamiliar with a 45.
Of course, it would have been far too much of a time consuming hassle to go back and correct everything to list A and B sides as they were intended by the record label once pages were expanded upon with number ratings and descriptions prior to layout work for printing of the book. I put the clarification note in "Reverbaration". Despite doing so, I cannot count the number of times I've gotten the comment "A and B sides are wrong", like mikael's recent point. I guess people have short or no attention spans anymore to bother to read and find out why that might be before sending a comment?
I do appreciate and credit accordingly any corrections to previously published information (the on-line update will have extensive credits, including tributes to my own "garage" mentors in this project).
I will have an updated e-mail address in conjunction with the TBM website - the website will be unveiled when the on-line update is available for downloading / on-line viewing.
For now, feel free to post anything here on G45. I will see it and add to my list to verify / check. I may not respond directly to the post, so don't think I am ignoring any post. Especially if I do not answer in rapid fashion. I do not use a smartphone for internet stuff; I only use my laptop.
If you do submit a correction, like a location for a listing that differs from what you see documented in TBM or Beyond TeenBeat Mayhem, please show your source, so that I can verify where you got this information from with my own documentation. I do make mistakes, as I humbly admit!
As to the Hi-Notes - Ocean City, Maryland? That is quite a distance away (across from the water inlet) from Silver Spring, Maryland. I'd be curious to know the source here. My own source is the copyright certificates for both songs, and a band member interview from 1996:
"Without You (Darling I Would die) EU 892510 dated July 15, 1965 shows songwriters and group members Bob Yesbeck, Jr and Ken Kaplan living in Silver Spring, Maryland (on Brunswick and Brewster Avenues). The certificate was mailed to Bob Yesbeck at the same address.
"Goodbye Baby" EU 900896 dated September 3, 1965 songwriter and group member Richard Johnston was living in Silver Spring, Maryland, certificate was mailed back to him at the same street address (Georgia Avenue).
When I first extracted this information, I managed to locate and contact Bob Yesbeck for an interview; he provided details and several photos of varying quality. Of course, this was done long before the internet age. Bob never mentioned anything about the Hi-Notes relocating to another city. He said they were indeed from Silver Spring and played in and around the Washington DC area, including the famed teen club as pictured on the LP comp, "Signed DC".
Thank you for the input. The Hi-Notes were regulars on the Ocean City "scene".
My source is local newspapers. They do state the group as locals. I dunno, maybe
I have to back down here reading your comment.
This is only interesting for a few hopeless geeks like me, though.
PS: Village Outcasts came from Newark Delaware (confirmed)
My source is local newspapers. They do state the group as locals. I dunno, maybe
I have to back down here reading your comment.
This is only interesting for a few hopeless geeks like me, though.
PS: Village Outcasts came from Newark Delaware (confirmed)
