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Or spin the Bobby Saint Clair 45, the best Gene Pitney sounding teenbeat fuzz thumper that Gene never recorded for himself! Then, flip it over for a Brian Hyland sound....
tbm worthy?
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buckeyebeat said:
I think the point being missed is that a record like Jack Wood is just a great "dance" record. It's not to be passed as "half assed" soul or garage. Of course this (and records like it) don't measure up to the glorious examples of garage-ness or soulful content. That's not really the point is it?
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That being said, I thought it should be included as it featured a local teen combo and it was recorded at Fenton studios. There were enough dots to connect....
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Jack Wood both sides are pretty cool to me, whether it is garage? I'd say yes, mostly, and the female vocals give it some different sound.
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The question was asked if the JW 45 was TBM worthy, and some of us, who have been doing this archiving / collecting thing for a long time, said no. Simple as that.
That's really the point of this thread.
Members can freely offer their offer their opinion, in a non PC or ass-kissing manner.
The underlying theme here is desire to flog a mediocre at best record for a lot of money under the guise of it being a great dance record. The next big fetish for the DJ scene.
Trust me, there are LOTS of records just as good, if not better than the one discussed. And many are far better buys for the money.
That's really the point of this thread.
Members can freely offer their offer their opinion, in a non PC or ass-kissing manner.
The underlying theme here is desire to flog a mediocre at best record for a lot of money under the guise of it being a great dance record. The next big fetish for the DJ scene.
Trust me, there are LOTS of records just as good, if not better than the one discussed. And many are far better buys for the money.
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Seems silly to disregard a record due to personal opinion if you're archiving/documenting records featuring teen combos.
I thought the part where opinions came into play was during the rating process????
I thought the part where opinions came into play was during the rating process????
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How about this one?
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greenfuzz said:
Usually record values are determined by supply and demand. More so by those who like the record than the opinions of those that don't.
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Everyone already knows my disdain for the new breed of DJs out there who spin '60s sounds. They do not.
I'll wipe the floor with every one of these DJs with my stuff, and you won't hear mediocrity.
If I paid $$$ to attend one of these shindigs and heard 45s like Jack Wood, Fire and Ice, Jubal's Chidlren, I'd be pissed. no different to my ears than hearing arena rock or 80s new wave dance crap.
Problem is most of these folks spending money on obscure 45s simply are not real fans / knowledgeable about the genre. They are not collectors first and foremost. If they were, they'd have a game plan as to what 45s could be spun, and know which ones to go after without too much thought. They merely think it's cool to spin records for people, and follow whatever trend is being forced on the scene, usually overpriced, mediocre at best records. Bad, or lame third rate Steppenwolf sounding 45s are the staples of these festivals. Or, in the case here, the Jack Wood teener record. I can think of many other 45s which are far better for dancing than this disc.
Look, this isn't about whether or not Jack Wood is TBM worthy. I get the vibe that it is about overhype, hopeful validation of an obscure 45 from the G45 clan, so that it would have some weight behind it when people start questioning the prices asked. Demand is often fleeting for these kinds of records. The only people who care about them are the fickle DJs who end up selling them or trading them, rarely keeping them for their collections. That's why you find the same dozen guys buying and selling the same 45s they paid way too much for in the first place. No one in the collector scene wants them. What does that tell you?
I'll wipe the floor with every one of these DJs with my stuff, and you won't hear mediocrity.
If I paid $$$ to attend one of these shindigs and heard 45s like Jack Wood, Fire and Ice, Jubal's Chidlren, I'd be pissed. no different to my ears than hearing arena rock or 80s new wave dance crap.
Problem is most of these folks spending money on obscure 45s simply are not real fans / knowledgeable about the genre. They are not collectors first and foremost. If they were, they'd have a game plan as to what 45s could be spun, and know which ones to go after without too much thought. They merely think it's cool to spin records for people, and follow whatever trend is being forced on the scene, usually overpriced, mediocre at best records. Bad, or lame third rate Steppenwolf sounding 45s are the staples of these festivals. Or, in the case here, the Jack Wood teener record. I can think of many other 45s which are far better for dancing than this disc.
Look, this isn't about whether or not Jack Wood is TBM worthy. I get the vibe that it is about overhype, hopeful validation of an obscure 45 from the G45 clan, so that it would have some weight behind it when people start questioning the prices asked. Demand is often fleeting for these kinds of records. The only people who care about them are the fickle DJs who end up selling them or trading them, rarely keeping them for their collections. That's why you find the same dozen guys buying and selling the same 45s they paid way too much for in the first place. No one in the collector scene wants them. What does that tell you?
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Latest mediocre / not rare 45 getting stupid money - "Line And Track" by the Aquamen.
Like it's some new discovery.
A very common 45 in the day, never more than $20.
i like it, a solid 3 out of 10, but, really....
Somebody spins it, and, like the sheep they prove they are, every uncreative DJ wants the 45.
And it sells for $400.
Like it's some new discovery.
A very common 45 in the day, never more than $20.
i like it, a solid 3 out of 10, but, really....
Somebody spins it, and, like the sheep they prove they are, every uncreative DJ wants the 45.
And it sells for $400.
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MopTopMike said:
Hmmm, the same dozen guys buying records nobody else wants and the pushing up prices to new heights...sounds like the early days of garage scene! Haha!
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MopTopMike said:
Agree with you on this one... Ok track and not rare at all on either label.
I wouldn't pay more than $75 for a copy, but that's me. Others obviously feel differently and hold it in higher regard.
Back on topic; does the Drag Kings make the cut? I'll try and make some clips today if needed...
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Speaking only for myself, I would say it does.
In fact, I give it a 6 (out of 10) on the garage-o-meter.
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I had The Aquamen in my WFMU cheapo box for a few years for $3 or so...then of course when I saw it was going for $$$ I checked and it was sold.
I think The Drag Kings is an 11.
I think The Drag Kings is an 11.
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Let me check the release date, if it is from '64 I would certainly list it.
Since so many people ask me about potential 45s to add in the forthcoming book, or why something was omitted from TBM, I decided to provide a list of every 45 that didn't pass the TBM audition. I'm not listing major label discs, as those are quite easy to research and check out for yourself. This list will present small label / vanity custom pressings that did not qualify.
Since so many people ask me about potential 45s to add in the forthcoming book, or why something was omitted from TBM, I decided to provide a list of every 45 that didn't pass the TBM audition. I'm not listing major label discs, as those are quite easy to research and check out for yourself. This list will present small label / vanity custom pressings that did not qualify.
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Yes, several hundred 45s are documented by group / performer, and record label. Titles are omitted.
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From his posts above do I detect a slight note of cynicism with regards to MopTopMike's opinions of the '60s Mod scene DJs and those who worship at their shrines? Shame on you! Don't you know that these characters are leading us all on a time trip to a place that never was in reality, but is being reconstructed in accordance with superior 21st century ideas of what Mod should have been? Ah, the benefits of hindsight . . . especially when you can paint over the past and draw new pictures which no one in your audience has the age knowledge to refute.
Myself, I am truly grateful when a tubby 30 something gentleman with Mungo Jerry sideburns, pointed toed shoes and a paisley shirt, explains to me just what I should have been wearing and listening to way back when I was 16. And I had to much self-respect to go brawling with greasers on the Brighton sea front? How could I consider myself to have been anything but a nothing? Yes, and Mod began with Paul Weller and Guy Stevens never existed.
On a separate note: is The Drag Kings 45 mentioned above the one on Wayne-Way, 'Midnight Drag of Paul Revere'? If so, then I can claim at least one record in common with other forum members.
Myself, I am truly grateful when a tubby 30 something gentleman with Mungo Jerry sideburns, pointed toed shoes and a paisley shirt, explains to me just what I should have been wearing and listening to way back when I was 16. And I had to much self-respect to go brawling with greasers on the Brighton sea front? How could I consider myself to have been anything but a nothing? Yes, and Mod began with Paul Weller and Guy Stevens never existed.
On a separate note: is The Drag Kings 45 mentioned above the one on Wayne-Way, 'Midnight Drag of Paul Revere'? If so, then I can claim at least one record in common with other forum members.
