The Gargantuan Thread Of 60's Garage Seven-Inch Covers!!!

Lee de Parade said:
An ignorant question: why is it you 60s hounds are so careful with pictures and sleeves and labels?
It feels on the verge of basement-paranoia when compared to the availability of 70s punk-dito.

Is it that the price of the 45s differs to that of 70s punk, or a different approach because of some other reason?

When I look at highly informative and educational and FUN sites such as kbdrecords and other 70s punk sites, I really feel that there is some kind of stigma going on. That there is an economic side to it, and a secretive culture that treats these pictures as trades and a currency of sorts.

I might be a part of the give-me-everything-for-free-generation, but I think this is a club closing the lid on itself.
I find it especially strange considering the common understanding that there's really no money anymore in comps or re-releases.
I also think that the target consumers are not the same when it comes to d-loaders and vinyl hounds.

2 cents from me, you are free to tear me to pieces now. I'm a big boy (and hung like a horse), I can take it.
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Lee,

Regarding your horse analogy. You DO bear a striking resemblance to Mister Ed. Are you related?
 
Lee de Parade said:
When I look at highly informative and educational and FUN sites such as kbdrecords and other 70s punk sites, I really feel that there is some kind of stigma going on. That there is an economic side to it, and a secretive culture that treats these pictures as trades and a currency of sorts.
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I love secrets. Not in order to exclude anyone in particular but the fact that one has to put a little more effort into things. Search stuff out instead of getting spoon fed. Makes it much more rewarding in the end. Otherwise it just blends in with all the other information that's out there so you just register it without really reflecting about it. That said, my point of view does not take the monetary aspects into consideration, where I tend to agree with your arguments above.
 
I have bought all the garage I need, and most garage there is so I've done more than 'my share', so to speak. I have ripped them and they are stored easily available on an external hard drive so I'm not vacuuming the internet for stuff I don't have. Come to think of it, I also keep a bunch (if not all) picture-sleeves I need on said hard drive.

I'm not looking for a free lunch or anything, I am more interested in the lack of interest and confounding behavior (from some, not all) to make this stuff available not only for the choir, but for the unsaved commons out there.
For historical reasons, for educational reasons.

There rests a somewhat unhealthy hate towards these d-loading free souls and 'leeches', and this attitude is retrograding and stubbornly unwilling to progress with the times.

Just imagine a site with downloadable content, free information, pictures, videos, stories..
Seems like most want to get paid for all their free time spent on collecting all this stuff - fair enough.
But when there is no interest or not enough people willing to pay for these things, the collectors and their ilk just sit on their historically priceless shit, grumpy and disillusioned and dead set on throwing monkey-wrenches in anyones machinery if they dare to share.

Now - I am generalizing and exaggerating to make a point, so don't blow a fuse. But isn't there a grain of truth in what I am saying here? Try to think outside the box all my fellow OCD, assberger and autism friends.
 
Andreas said:
I love secrets. Not in order to exclude anyone in particular but the fact that one has to put a little more effort into things.
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I definitely remember the days of yore, searching info and the thrill you get after months of awkward investigation.
But those days are gone, and just because that is the programmed way of old-timing collecting does not mean that that high applies anymore.

There is simply too much music going around.

Again, my point is for us to try to keep new people interested, to feed the scene. All this backwards persistent refusal to let go of cool stuff because of reasons I can not fathom is just so counterproductive.


Or am I totally wrong on this one?
 
Lee de Parade said:
Or am I totally wrong on this one?
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YEP...There already is plenty out there to keep people interested. There are very few completists like you who have to have everything right now. A cool guy like BossHoss hands out plenty of stuff all the time, and so do I and others. It's just that we like to get it to the right people who want to release this stuff properly. So just throwing everything up for free allows the thieves to use it for their nefarious releases. And once a bootleg gets released it makes it hard for another company to want to release it again, especially today with lower sales. Hey Lee De...start your own label sometime and you'll see what I mean.
 
This is what Bosshoss wrote four days ago at the start of this thread. He was simply protecting fellow record collectors from being ripped off by shady dealers who have been known to use high-res label scans in the past, then flog a bootleg. There was no hidden agenda ....

"I got cold feet with the original idea of posting hires versions of these in the open forum. The potential for ripoffs via ebay etc., started to vibrate negatively in my nostril. I wouldn't want any g45 members to wind up paying big $$$'s for a scanned fake sleeve downloaded from my post. This is definitely a job for the Secret Society."
 
The thieves and the evil-doers. Now we are getting somewhere.
And I'm not blasting anyone here, I'm just raising a (somewhat infected?) question.

It is these thieves I'm talking about. But the shit they are dishing out seems to be ol' mp3s or something.
Are there people falsifies 45s and sells them at humongous prices? I'm not sarcastic here, I really want to know.

If I'd start a label, it would most probably be a low-brow illegal affair since those comps if generally the best when it comes to sequensing.
But I'd most likely shy away from any physical media when I don't think there is ANY future in CDs and just a circle-jerk value to the vinyl scene.
 
EXPO67 said:
This is what Bosshoss wrote four days ago at the start of this thread. He was simply protecting fellow record collectors from being ripped off by shady dealers who have been known to use high-res label scans in the past, then flog a bootleg. There was no hidden agenda ....

"I got cold feet with the original idea of posting hires versions of these in the open forum. The potential for ripoffs via ebay etc., started to vibrate negatively in my nostril. I wouldn't want any g45 members to wind up paying big $$$'s for a scanned fake sleeve downloaded from my post. This is definitely a job for the Secret Society."
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It is no secret that I adore mr. Taylor since he is the coolest guy on earth - I'd say that without all flac-hurling and such insanities.

This is a question I have been picking up for years and years and just want some feedback.
 
There's absolutely no attitude of "holding back" anything at least as far as I'm concerned. I really wanted to post all those 45s as hi-res scans. I had 50 of 'em already scanned and uploaded. Each one took 10 minutes to scan, de-screen and crop, that's 500 minutes = 8 hours down the drain. I was actually very disappointed when I realised it was not the right thing to do, and that I should not do it.​

Once a hi-res scan is out on the internet, it's there forever, for everyone. People with good intentions outnumber the bad guys 1000 to one. But it only takes one. The hi-res scans could be easily used to make digital prints of sleeves at a low cost at an instant print facility. These prints of very rare sleeves could then be used to pair up with (more common) original 45s and sold as originals with sleeve on eBay. Maybe not this year, or next year. Maybe 10 years from now, or 20.

In any case I have noticed people here seem to like lo-res photos of groups of 45s shot together, as much as or even more than the hi-res scans that have been posted here in the past. So, why bother with the hi-res stuff, when not many guys want it anyway? They take hours to make, and in the end just create a whole lot of trouble.
 
Heheh.

Well I got all the scans I need not only in digital form but also in the mighty tome of King Mup Tup the 1st.
So I wasn't taking any cheap shots.

I knew people would get upset and who knows - maybe some greek, italian or pesky norwegian would've used those excellent scans my dear sir would've posted and used it to lure old men up to the Ebay woods to sodomize their wallets.

Really I was just shaking the hive to see what'd happen, and lo and behold, the same hysteria starts developing again.
I certainly don't wan't you to think I'm just a whiny knob.

It's like this, and I'm talking about all different kinds of 60s paraphernalia:
1. these historical artifacts are not in libraries or available in any other way - they are in private possession!
2. the owner of these historical invaluables can choose not to show you these priceless gems - even if you are ready to pay! Now, come ON!
3. some important artifacts are hidden away and kept unknown to the world by secretive collectors - now that is straight out of the CIA-styled mind-fuck operation handbook..

this has really nothing to do with me wanting scans, it is the having to tip-toe on the mine-field not to create chaos, bloodshed and drama in the community.

Take it easy babies. Take it as it comes.
And to quote what my uncle used to say to me: "take it at face value".
 
You,, Lee (and I like ya!) have absolutely no right to "have" access to stuff. Who cares if the material is not in a library or widely available. No one has an obligation to share their wares in collections. We are lucky that a lot of guys here on this forum are willing to do so.
I agree with Mark's observation - with technology being what it is today, making a perfect look-a-like counterfeit picture sleeve is relatively simple.
 
Mr.Segment said:
How rare is that Alliance sleeve? been looking, not succeeding!
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Managed to get this off amazon of all places for $8, a band member had even left a comment on the sellers page about how it was great that the single was still available!

I would say its just as easy to detect a counterfeit sleeve, as it is to detect a record. the effects of a age have quite a noticeable effect on paper.
 
Lee de Parade said:
Heheh.

It's like this, and I'm talking about all different kinds of 60s paraphernalia:
1. these historical artifacts are not in libraries or available in any other way - they are in private possession!
2. the owner of these historical invaluables can choose not to show you these priceless gems - even if you are ready to pay! Now, come ON!
3. some important artifacts are hidden away and kept unknown to the world by secretive collectors - now that is straight out of the CIA-styled mind-fuck operation handbook..
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It's good to have you back Mr. de Parade. Here I offer my 3 counter-points to your 3 points above

1 - Public Libraries could not care less about the dregs of '60s garage. TBM is not exactly the bible of Rock n Roll Hall Of Famers

2 - Big Deal. That's the free market. Stalin would have burned all '60s garage records as Degenerate Art in the name of Socialist Realism. Especially anything in public libraries.

http://schikelgruber.net/art.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Degenerate_art
http://info-poland.buffalo.edu/socrealism/tot/

3 - I would say there is much more kept hidden by the original artists, than by "secretive collectors".
 
MopTopMike said:
You,, Lee (and I like ya!) have absolutely no right to "have" access to stuff. Who cares if the material is not in a library or widely available. No one has an obligation to share their wares in collections. We are lucky that a lot of guys here on this forum are willing to do so.
I agree with Mark's observation - with technology being what it is today, making a perfect look-a-like counterfeit picture sleeve is relatively simple.
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I'm sorry to draw this libertarian card: history belongs to us all. You can't buy history and keep it to yourself? That is stupendously outrageous. Lone men manhandling the handles on which we carry the golden ark of the covenant!

I am lucky. I am honored, even! Bee-lee-vuh me!
Ok, but I finally got an un-snotty, non-sneery answer to my query. I thank thee. I trust this will not blur our otherwise impeccable friendship over at Facebook and lead to an unfriending, in which case I would feel deeply ashamed.

Furthermore, it is my opinion that Carthage must be destroyed.
 
bosshoss said:
It's good to have you back Mr. de Parade. Here I offer my 3 counter-points to your 3 points above

1 - Public Libraries could not care less about the dregs of '60s garage. TBM is not exactly the bible of Rock n Roll Hall Of Famers

2 - Big Deal. That's the free market. Stalin would have burned all '60s garage records as Degenerate Art in the name of Socialist Realism. Especially anything in public libraries.

http://schikelgruber.net/art.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Degenerate_art
http://info-poland.buffalo.edu/socrealism/tot/

3 - I would say there is much more kept hidden by the original artists, than by "secretive collectors".
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Well, I'm running out of arguments and don't really need to win the discussion. I'm still not convinced but who cares!

And again, I humbly bow to all you sleuths, hounds, diggers, divers, scrapers, groovers that make up the top of the scene.
I just wanted to tickle y'all since it's Ishtar! Gobble, gobble or..no that's another holiday..
 
The Plague said:
Managed to get this off amazon of all places for $8, a band member had even left a comment on the sellers page about how it was great that the single was still available!

I would say its just as easy to detect a counterfeit sleeve, as it is to detect a record. the effects of a age have quite a noticeable effect on paper.
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Hi Plague!
Congrats on your bargain purchase.
On your point about counterfeit sleeves. True, it is sometimes easy to detect, once it's in your hands which may be too late.
The major point is - it is much easier and cheaper to print a counterfeit 45 sleeve, than a counterfeit record. But only if you have access to a hi-res scan of course.
 
Paper is easily aged - put it out on the porch for a couple days, etc, there are all kinds of tricks. If it's done properly, you'd need a trusted original to tell what's real and what's counterfeit.
 
It doesn't have to be monster sized 300ppi scans. 400x400px sized 72ppi will do just fine.
You can't make good counterfeits out of these. It's cool just to look at these ultra rare things.
 
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