The New Diablos - Land of Love...On Littlefields 45?

inkmathematics

Mark VII Class
Joined
Dec 25, 2011
Location
Montana
Hi,
I recently found a copy of this 45 and can't find much info on it. It looks like it was comped recently but has this been a known 45 for some time?
Thanks!
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It was up for rating in the last TBM supplement listening session. Gave it a 3 and the flip a 4. Strange'ish 45. Late 60s sounding if my memory serves me right. Did not know about it until then and never seen a copy until your scan appeared.
 
It was up for rating in the last TBM supplement listening session. Gave it a 3 and the flip a 4. Strange'ish 45. Late 60s sounding if my memory serves me right. Did not know about it until then and never seen a copy until your scan appeared.

I believe it's on the Gear Fab Maryland comp. If not this song...then one or two by the same band. I'm not a fan of their songs on the comp.
 
From 1970 or so. Not a rare or sought-after 45, it is known.
Worth $75-80 in MN
Mediocre sounds to most, based upon my tally of the ratings.

Somebody is greedy, asking $1,800 on ebay :lol:!
i have to ask myself, do these sellers truly think someone is gonna bite at that price, just because "they" can't find an ebay sale or anything on the internet? I've got a whole pile of $1,800 45s then, sitting dormant in a box, with no record of an appearance on ebay, popsike or collectorsfrenzy.
 
Somebody is greedy, asking $1,800 on ebay :lol:!
i have to ask myself, do these sellers truly think someone is gonna bite at that price, just because "they" can't find an ebay sale or anything on the internet? I've got a whole pile of $1,800 45s then, sitting dormant in a box, with no record of an appearance on ebay, popsike or collectorsfrenzy.

I believe the seller and original poster are one and the same. He often links this eBay sellers auctions on Waxi.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/THE-NEW-DIA...2186196?pt=Music_on_Vinyl&hash=item5b072987d4

Maybe they need the $1800 to finish the Montana comp.
 
In defense of my Montana friend, I am in fact the finder (and seller) of The New Diablos 45. I asked him to post to the site on my behalf (as he has done before) to find some info since I couldn't find anything about it's value. Thanks to the previous posters for their insights.

I spend considerable time researhing my listings, and I think if you look at my offerings you will see that they are all reasonably priced. I am not a greedy seller. I am very amenable to offers.

I don't think my 1800USD ask speaks to greed so much as it speaks to the unavailability of information on this very cool record. If there had been any evidence of its worth in an archived auction, or anywhere else on the net, I would have priced it accordingly. But since there is no info out there beyond the acknowledgement of its existence on the MD psych comp, I set a high price (with an offer option) so as not to screw myself out of its potential value. Add to that the previous poster's comment that they had "never seen a copy until (the) scan appeared" and I concluded that it is actually a RARE record.

I happen to be from Missouri, so I guess I'd like someone to SHOW ME it's worth . And hey Mr Mop Top, I'll give you $70-80 for that "whole pile of $1,800 45s... sitting dormant in a box." ;)
 
No way, because you'd try to resell them.

As for screwing yourself out of potential value - unless you overpaid for the record - as a lot of record pimps tend to do when they embark unto genres which they know little about - you would be best served to let the marketplace prove to you a reasonable worth. Start at $20 and let the thing go. Put greed aside, for once.
I gather your pal is also trying to gouge that Purple Haze 45 which is rotting cold and unwanted on ebay as well?
Learn by example
 
Why try to sell the record now? What’s the rush?
If you're worried about screwing yourself out of potential value, then wouldn’t it make sense to hold off until you’re certain about it?
You say you do considerable research, but isn’t part of proper research coming to forums where there would be people who could know about the record and give honest impressions about its rarity and quality not to mention an idea of realistic value?
Why is your friend (who has known about this and other music boards for some time) asking after the fact and saying he was the finder?

And out of curiosity, why do so many sellers seem to automatically assume that any record they can’t find anything on is worth hundreds of dollars?

By the way, don't assume that just because a record has a lot of fuzz and effects it's automatically a monster.
For the record (pun semi-intended), I thought it sounded fairly decent, but hardly a monster. Yeah, the fuzz and effects are a little interesting, but the melody/dirge is rather pedestrian. Nothing really stands out.

Next time, feel free to ask first. Just come without any predetermined expectations and you'll find we'll be glad to help and give honest assessments.
 
I don't think my 1800USD ask speaks to greed so much as it speaks to the unavailability of information on this very cool record.
So because you can't find anything regarding it, it's worth a lot. Sure...

My guess is that you are not going to receive many offers, due to intimidation caused by the $1,800 asking price. Doesn't make you look terribly reasonable on your prices, if you get my drift.
 
Alright Moppy, you're on. I'll send it to auction and we'll see. I never claimed to be an authority on the value - or on the genre, so I really have nothing to lose.
 
I disagree with Mop Top about putting up records for low minimums. Maybe at one time that was a good way to do it, but nowadays records are very likely to get lost in the listings. When you're selling good records and see that sometimes only 12 people have even viewed a listing and only 2 are following it, you realize how small the audience for an auction can be. Only really hot records get the dozens of watchers and crazy high bids, most ebay records that sell go for the minimum or only a few dollars over.

Mojosity, who I don't know and haven't bought from, has plenty of fine garage 45s in his listings at reasonable prices, or at least within reason if he'll accept lower offers. If it's too high, no one will buy it and he'll have to lower his price.

I don't care for that New Diablos, however!
 
no need to give somebody hell for high-priced ebay listings, IMHO, especially if people have the option to make offers. seller got a record that sounds good to him, he finds nothing on the web about it,... well, it COULD be a "holy grail" type of thing. nobody is forced to buy it. i don't get that "greed" argument people always pull out when talking about selling records. it's just selling stuff. of course you would rather get 20$ than 10$ for it, this ain't "greed". a different thing is tricking people to buy your crap, like with all those repros being sold as originals. that's something to let off steam, i think.
 
Um, yeah...right. Familiar with the term "hypocrite"?
We've got a long running thread about ebay sellers who are putting up records for inane starting bid or buy it now prices. Just about everyone on here points out such examples.
Saying the greed argument is unimportant - irrelevant is plain, 'ol BS.

So, the seller has "lowered" his opening bid price to $800. Consensus postings here dictated the 45 is nothing special, and not some potential unknown discovery that will bring high demand in the future. Why not start the bid at a reasonable $75 or $80, and see where it goes?
Because of...hold on...
G-R-E-E-D.

45s that routinely sell for nice sums ($350+) are records that are typically:
Well known
and
Prime examples of the genre
The "hot item" factor which will be incorporated into the new G45 listings also plays a factor. But with these kinds of 45s, there is documented history of high priced sales.

You will note that the New Diablos 45 strikes out on all three examples which would make sense for a potential high dollar sale.
 
I can't blame this seller for trying to gauge the value with a high starting bid. You can't trust the market to set the right value, there's too much junk clogging up ebay to be sure your listing gets seen. Don't call him greedy.

The ebay seller thread we have is really more about people listing common records or trashed 45s for ridiculous amounts. At least the New Diablos is an interesting obscurity.
 
just let the guy list his records for whatever $$$ he envisions getting for them. it's fine with me. it's not my concern. perhaps somebody wants to have said record, then the guy got lucky and has some fine record spending money and everybody is happy.
generally, i think this forum sometime lacks activity because (new) people and lurkers hesitate to post as they fear they'll be treated like crap.
 
just let the guy list his records for whatever $$$ he envisions getting for them. it's fine with me. it's not my concern. perhaps somebody wants to have said record, then the guy got lucky and has some fine record spending money and everybody is happy.

I don't have a problem with this...unless the same guy lists the same record at the same price week after week after week....without adjusting for the fact that maybe nobody wants it at the inflated price. if it's two-three weeks and no bidders, lower the damn price (and I'm not including those trying to break even on a purchase...only those trying to see how much they can gouge for an "unknown").
 
yes, but we don't have to pay their ebay fees. shall they list their junk till eternity. i still think it's a different story with people trying to pimp their mediocre 12-bar-instro as a "sick tittyshaker monster" or a late-1950s vocal group as "garage fuzz raver".
but i feel your pain. i gotta scroll past that frigging Jaggars acetate every day for like a year now on "the bay". nobody will ever buy it, never.:nope:
 
just let the guy list his records for whatever $$$ he envisions getting for them. it's fine with me. it's not my concern. perhaps somebody wants to have said record, then the guy got lucky and has some fine record spending money and everybody is happy.
generally, i think this forum sometime lacks activity because (new) people and lurkers hesitate to post as they fear they'll be treated like crap.

wow. Talk about implications and twisting of the presented statement....

At least that greedy seller trying to peddle that Jaggers recording studio acetate is lowering his price each time he relists it - even if it is only via microscopic dollar decreases. He first listed it in January of 2014. Besides, his argument of one-of-a-kind does enhances his preception of value.

I never stated that people cannot put whatever price - no matter how inane - they want for a record on ebay. i'm all for making a buck. Especially since ebay and paypal continue to take huge amounts from each listing and sale.

However, if you want to do your best to ensure a successful sale, it WOULD be wise to take the advice experienced folks offer, regardless of whether it is framed in "pc mode" or not. Sorry if I shoot straight from the hip - that's the way I am. There are some here, like Joey D-man, who get it. The seller who started this thread may be a good guy (never met him), but, judging by his ebay listings, he seems to err on the side of greed: ("I wanna make sure i don't lose out on potential value...")
That's all I'm saying. He's not unlike many people who list 45s in the garage category who do not know about the 45 they have, and feel because they do not know it, or cannot find out anything about it on-line in a few days, that seems to equate to high potential value.

Do you think he would accept my offer of $80 for it, since the listing says "best offer". Of course not.
Sidenote -a check into the Wickham Garage 45s price guide would've given a good perspective on price, and awareness of the record. However, that would require purchasing a book, and having to manually flip thru pages. Life is too complicated for that nowadays, right?

As for lack of activity on G45, well, if guys like me are preventing forum members and perpetual lurkers from feeling comfy & contributing, I have no problem gettin' outta here to facilitate growth. Truthfully, the reason people do not contribute is boredom. Other than contests, and G45 planned activity, the topics are all the same, recycled, etc. I mean, really, how many times can you post about the greatness of some well-known and expensive garage 45, and keep interest running? Ever check and see when the last time 90% of the people on here checked into the website? 1 year ago, 2 years ago, etc. As for new people signing up - nobody really cares about the subject matter anymore.