The Official Quantity Find list

[Mr.Segment]

A most excellent idea. I think one was hinted at on the previous forum but noone stepped forth and took control, so it petered out.

A well maintained one with thorough details regarding each 45 would be most enlightening. Maybe in time it will lead to people stop paying $200++ for Alarm Clocks repro's.

 

[MopTopMike]

I am not one who agrees with providing specific details other than listing those 45s which have been booted (those that do not have the word "reissue" clearly printed on the label). I've done this in a detailed chapter slotted in TeenBeat Mayhem, so I won't be too keen on contributing here (repeating the workload!)

The more information one gives, the easier it is for someone to "lie" and therefore scam a potential inexperienced collector. If the exact deadwax code found on the original pressing of the Lavette label Chob 45 is posted / made known, any seller trying to sell the bootleg can simply "lie" by including this code in their auction description / sale list, or posting. Believe, me I've seen this happen in other collecting genres, where "fibbing" runs rampant in on-line record dealings. Especially with acetates.

What I've done in TBM is list the details which the boots lack (in a general sense), or differ in appearance when compared to the original. Using the Chob bootleg 45 example, I note that the boot pressing lacks the four digit numeric pressing code found on the original. The same thing with the Keggs, Alarm Clocks, etc.
Using the Little Phil & The Nightshadows boot with the pic sleeve, I note the fake PS lacks the booking information and address found on the reverse of the original sleeve.

I do not provide the specific details as to what that information is to protect / prevent potential fraud.

 

[Willem]

"What Fours (Fleetwood) 6 copies g251
( 5 were extracted via the most torturous, grueling, aggravating experience I've ever been party to witness. The 45s were divvied with my partner in the dealing) MTM"

We need to hear this story!

 

[mansson66]

Why not just make a list of 45s that's been booted? Good to at least be aware when ebaying and such...
Aztecs, Keggs, Iguanas, Chob, Starfires, Spades - You're Gonna Miss Me... even though the last two have different label colors than the originals some douchebags still try to hawk'em as originals from time to time...

Btw I just saw a Kak bootleg LP getting sold on bay as 'original'. Again. It's a fishy one, made in Italy. Re-set lettering, copied matrix numbers et all. The only tell is that it's missing the small dark rectangle up in the right sleeve corner, that all Epic LP's has.

 

[legbarecords]

I don't know how many were turned up but at a record show in Greenville last week I saw 3 copies of the Vandals 45 from Georgia. Asking price was $500 each. great fuzz, terrible song.

 

[Phil Istine]

I am not one who agrees with providing specific details other than listing those 45s which have been booted (those that do not have the word "reissue" clearly printed on the label). I've done this in a detailed chapter slotted in TeenBeat Mayhem, so I won't be too keen on contributing here (repeating the workload!)

The more information one gives, the easier it is for someone to "lie" and therefore scam a potential inexperienced collector. If the exact deadwax code found on the original pressing of the Lavette label Chob 45 is posted / made known, any seller trying to sell the bootleg can simply "lie" by including this code in their auction description / sale list, or posting..

in total agreement with you there Mike. The only trouble with such a stance being that you only need to visit the G200 webpage to discover what the original matrix is for the Chob 45 :oops:

 

[gregk25]

How about

YOUNGER BROTHERS: Go Away on Wendy

Not the greatest of all songs, but I like it better than its inspiration ("Liar Liar") since hearing it first on that so-so Brainshadows comp. Stumbled over a NM buy-it-now for 4,99 recently. Now another clean one is up. Just not very rare or quantity find?

 

[vinyl01]

I think I mentioned this a while back. I'm not the expert here as the only boot I have is the Starfires that looks nothing like the original I sold to someone here a long time ago. I know it is in good hands. This would be a good thing to know just what was booted and then someone could take more care or ask questions before buying and if bought could check on it. About 10 years ago I bought a Buddy Holly 45 on Decca on ebay that the seller had it in an original sleeve, but when I got it in the mail and checked it out it was a boot as the numbers were not machine stamped in the dead wax as all old decca 45s are. I contacted the seller and gave me my money back saying he did not know. Also, I contacted another one of his buyers telling him that the 45 he got from this guy was probably a boot(which it was). He also got him money back and thanked me for letting him know as he was a beginner and had no idea. I think this list would benefit everyone.

 

[vinyl01]

I take that back. I have the Barbarians on Joy white label that looks like a 70s Specialty pressing that I think is a boot, right.

 

[MopTopMike]

How about

YOUNGER BROTHERS: Go Away on Wendy

Not the greatest of all songs, but I like it better than its inspiration ("Liar Liar") since hearing it first on that so-so Brainshadows comp. Stumbled over a NM buy-it-now for 4,99 recently. Now another clean one is up. Just not very rare or quantity find?

You got a bargain. Disc is hard to find

 

[bosshoss]

The more information one gives, the easier it is for someone to "lie" and therefore scam a potential inexperienced collector. If the exact deadwax code found on the original pressing of the Lavette label Chob 45 is posted / made known, any seller trying to sell the bootleg can simply "lie" by including this code in their auction description / sale list, or posting.

I'm not sure if I would agree completely. If someone is going to go so far as to lie about the deadwax number, then they are a complete crook who is willing to commit fraud. A person like that could easily just take your money and not send you anything.

 

[Stampy]

I'm not sure if I would agree completely. If someone is going to go so far as to lie about the deadwax number, then they are a complete crook who is willing to commit fraud. A person like that could easily just take your money and not send you anything.

I agree!

 

[bosshoss]

There's a difference I think, between disclosing deadwax info, and disclosing visual differences between originals and repros. There are times when having the deadwax kept secret could be beneficial, such as when a fraudulent seller claims to have an item he doesn't have, with the intention of perpetrating a ripoff. Asking for the deadwax would be a way of verifying, provided the seller doesn't own (or have a friend who owns) an original. And provided you have a friend who can tell you the real deadwax info. That applies to all 45s, not just repros.
Supplying visual information to identify a repro from an original, is different. In that case, you're not helping the would-be crook. Because he would still be required to supply deadwax info if requested, and probably would not be able to.
But I must say, I have bought 7,000-8,000 garage 45s in my life in about 4,000 separate transactions, and no-one has ever tried to rip me off using fake deadwax info or scans.
It nearly happened once on eBay (not to me), but the auction was pulled....

 

[MopTopMike]

I can recall at least a half-dozen instances of sellers on ebay running scam auctions of garage 45s in the past 5-10 years. Admittedly, it has become much more difficult for a seller to scam potential buyers with ebay's new auction policies.
Then there are those who list bootlegs/repros and believe they are selling an original. Most of these sellers would not be able to tell most intricate visual differences just by inspection of label details (take the Alarm Clocks 45, which is not a bootleg, but an authorized by the bandmembers look-a-like reproduction).
Nice to see that if someone is going to produce a bootleg pressing, the term "reissue" should be clearly noted directly on the label and etched in the deadwax.

 

[MopTopMike]

I'm not sure if I would agree completely. If someone is going to go so far as to lie about the deadwax number, then they are a complete crook who is willing to commit fraud. A person like that could easily just take your money and not send you anything.

Yes, but knowing that the seller cannot provide specific details (deadwax matrix numbers & codes) that are not common knowledge when asked prior to bidding, why would anyone even submit a bid in the first place?
It's the same thing when asking a dealer if a record he grades as "looks nice" (?) plays with any surface noise, loud ticks, etc, and the seller replies "I don't have a turntable, or have time to play every record.
I don't even bother with these clowns. A potential bidder has to retract himself/herself from the enticing magic beam which initiates cautionless bidding, and instead, use their common-sense scruples.

 

[bosshoss]

Then there are those who list bootlegs/repros and believe they are selling an original. Most of these sellers would not be able to tell most intricate visual differences .

Yeah it's a minefield that's only going to get worse. I'm very happy that TBM is going to list them in detail, but still concerned that as the list of repro 45s grows, the TBM reference list will gradually become outdated. It would be pretty embarrassing and disappointing to launch an eBay mega $$$ snipe bid on a repro, especially if the record was not advertised as being original or otherwise. In that case, you probably couldn't even complain. I'm sure it'll happen to someone here (maybe me unless I'm careful) in the future.

 

[Mr.Segment]

New additions:

Art Dallaire and the Watchmen (Flip)
Don Wright and the Head Set (Spectre) Removed again, no quantity here folks, move on!

 

[Frantic]

New additions:

Art Dallaire and the Watchmen (Flip)
Don Wright and the Head Set (Spectre) How many? Is it a trade secret?

I just sold one on Ebay yesterday, but I've had it sitting around here for a few years. No quanity here.

 

[Mr.Segment]

Sorry, thought you'd picked them up together with the other on Spectre. My bad.

 

[Dave Baldwin]

I have no idea how many copies were found of these :
Destiny's Children - Pyro
Outcasts - Sola
Solid Ground - Apro
All of these were plain white label test pressings ( ? ) . I don't know who originally turned these up in the mid90's . I saw a bunch of them at a Scottsdale dealers place , maybe Dan N. can shed some light on this .

David Shutt had a small quantity (6 or 7) of the Pyro 45 in the late 80s.
Seems like they were all the black label stock copies and un-played.