For the elders of G45

[MopTopMike]

One of the hassles of contributing information (fresh, corrected, revised, etc.) is when you encounter someone who refuses to yield to evidence that contradicts their own 'facts'.​

I have, on occasion, provided input to the folks who run the 45cat website. I dont know why, maybe it is an internal wiring flaw - my never-ending quest to try and get things documented correctly. I find 45cat to be a better resource than discogs, at least 45cat has moderators who oversee data and postings.​

I've run into someone, I don't know how old he is (seems to be under 40), but he is insisting that the X-Treems Star-Trek label 45 is a 1980s pressing, citing quality of vinyl, and the audio recording itself. I told him the 45 was issued during 1968-1970, but at first, he defiantly refused until someone came up with evidence of another Star-Trek release that is numbered after the X-Treems 45 - same label design, font and color.​

Someone else has claimed that there is an inferior pressing of the X-Treems on a dark green / brownish label with horrible audio mastering. I've never seen or heard this pressing. Fine enough, yet the doubting Thomas contributor still insists the black label X-Treems is a "repressing" from the 1980s. He claims that since so many unplayed copies are available and were easily had 30 years ago = fact. He even asserted it was probably an Erik L involved "fake" 45 at one point.​

My observations have fallen upon his deaf ears, letting him know that many of us who were actively collecting and researching over 30 years ago would have quickly surmised a "rerecorded fake-out" back in the 1980s, as we did with the Wylde Maniacs, Huntsmen, Katz Kradle.​

I'd like to read some of the recollections from those who were buying / collecting / researching pre 1986, as to their own experience. I know just about every mail-order obscure '60s 45's dealer seemed to offer a M- X-Treems 45 for $5-10. I have seen a few VG condition copies over the years but I never bothered to play them to see if the mix was inferior.​

 

[Frantic]

Mark Crocker in Inverness had a whole box of them back in the 90's that he said he got in the 80s. I remember 1969 was written on the box. Probably doesn't help you though.

 

[Rich Strauss]

Mark Edmunds is the guy who made the quantity find of StarTrek 45s. He was a record dealer & collector. He had at least a couple 100 count boxes of the 2 StarTrek releases. Cole & the Embers - StarTrek 1220 was the other. He ran Mark's One Stop in St. Louis in the late 70's. I have a list from him where the X-Treems are listed at $8 and Cole & the Embers at $4.

He subsequently moved to the SF Bay Area & changed the name of his operation to Baytown Records. I visited his place many times and got lots of great 45s from him. He also had quantity on the Mad River EP on Wee as well as other Wee releases. This is where Mark Crocker bought his copy of the Denise 45. I'm sure I passed over the Denise 45 thinking that it was a girl group. Damn. Crocker had the good sense to play it.

Unfortunately, Mark Edmunds died way too young, so there is no way to find where & when He found the StarTrek 45s.

 

[buckeyebeat]

I'm pretty sure my first time seeing the black label X-treems in person would have been about 1981/2 at the latest. As far as seeing it for sale in Goldmine (or Frank Merrill lists), it may been a year or so earlier. They came in older lighter brown paper sleeves.

I have never seen any other pressing of the record, and I have seen - long time ago, another record on the black label which was not garage.

On a similar note, I was recently asked a similar question about the Haunted 1-2-5 on Amy - someone was claiming that all copies on Amy were boots/later pressings - which of course is not true and I told a friend (who had asked me - he was not insisting that they were boots, he had heard that and was asking me about it) that I got mine in 1981/2, etc

 

[troggy]

I know there must be 80's pressings of 45's where the label looks authentic to the 60's. That's often the giveaway though, the font that was used, offset printing, etc. The label of the X-Treems 45 gives no indication it came from the 80's.

 

[tymespan]

I bought my copy of the X-Treems from Mark's One Stop too.
He had small quantities of many garage 45s like the Soup Greens and the X-Cellents-Little Wooden House.
I remember him selling the Dovers-She's Not Just Anybody for $8 (unfortunately didn't get that one.)

I think Lynn's Records may have had quantity on the X-Treems as well.

 

[HarvestmanMan]

For the record, I can confirm that the 45cat user in question is a total moron.

Some people on that site are worth blocking out entirely and don't contribute much at all.

 

[Dave Baldwin]

Mark Edmunds is the guy who made the quantity find of StarTrek 45s. He was a record dealer & collector. He had at least a couple 100 count boxes of the 2 StarTrek releases. Cole & the Embers - StarTrek 1220 was the other. He ran Mark's One Stop in St. Louis in the late 70's. I have a list from him where the X-Treems are listed at $8 and Cole & the Embers at $4.

He subsequently moved to the SF Bay Area & changed the name of his operation to Baytown Records. I visited his place many times and got lots of great 45s from him. He also had quantity on the Mad River EP on Wee as well as other Wee releases. This is where Mark Crocker bought his copy of the Denise 45. I'm sure I passed over the Denise 45 thinking that it was a girl group. Damn. Crocker had the good sense to play it.

Unfortunately, Mark Edmunds died way too young, so there is no way to find where & when He found the StarTrek 45s.

I used to buy a lot of records from Mark back in 1981 when I first moved to Palo Alto. I seem to remember a dresser in his warehouse space that had a drawer-full of X-Treems 45s and a drawer-full of Blue Banana 45s (w/ps) being there. I had always assumed that he found the quantities around St. Louis since both bands were from that general vicinity. Mark was an incredible personality, and probably the first or second person that I ever met who collected Joe Meek-related records (decades before it became a trendy thing). RIP.

 

[Stanco rules]

I used to buy a lot of records from Mark back in 1981 when I first moved to Palo Alto. I seem to remember a dresser in his warehouse space that had a drawer-full of X-Treems 45s and a drawer-full of Blue Banana 45s (w/ps) being there. I had always assumed that he found the quantities around St. Louis since both bands were from that general vicinity. Mark was an incredible personality, and probably the first or second person that I ever met who collected Joe Meek-related records (decades before it became a trendy thing). RIP.

I used to buy from Mark as well. In fact, he was the person who talked me into collecting Garage 45s. I was mostly into LPs at the time and he suggested - why collect all that pedestrian stuff when you can collect something underground and cool. He had a new, instant Garage customer ! As for the X-Treems, he started out with around a 1000 copies. He hit a place back in St. Louis called a "dump" if I have the name right, that had bulk items of all kinds that were sold in the building, cheap. I guess the band never paid for the pressing and, therefore, most of the run was dumped there. Everyone who had quantity of that title came from Mark. RIP; he was a great guy.

 

[Vinyldigger]

One of the hassles of contributing information (fresh, corrected, revised, etc.) is when you encounter someone who refuses to yield to evidence that contradicts their own 'facts'.​

I have, on occasion, provided input to the folks who run the 45cat website. I dont know why, maybe it is an internal wiring flaw - my never-ending quest to try and get things documented correctly. I find 45cat to be a better resource than discogs, at least 45cat has moderators who oversee data and postings.​

I've run into someone, I don't know how old he is (seems to be under 40), but he is insisting that the X-Treems Star-Trek label 45 is a 1980s pressing, citing quality of vinyl, and the audio recording itself. I told him the 45 was issued during 1968-1970, but at first, he defiantly refused until someone came up with evidence of another Star-Trek release that is numbered after the X-Treems 45 - same label design, font and color.​

Someone else has claimed that there is an inferior pressing of the X-Treems on a dark green / brownish label with horrible audio mastering. I've never seen or heard this pressing. Fine enough, yet the doubting Thomas contributor still insists the black label X-Treems is a "repressing" from the 1980s. He claims that since so many unplayed copies are available and were easily had 30 years ago = fact. He even asserted it was probably an Erik L involved "fake" 45 at one point.​

My observations have fallen upon his deaf ears, letting him know that many of us who were actively collecting and researching over 30 years ago would have quickly surmised a "rerecorded fake-out" back in the 1980s, as we did with the Wylde Maniacs, Huntsmen, Katz Kradle.​

I'd like to read some of the recollections from those who were buying / collecting / researching pre 1986, as to their own experience. I know just about every mail-order obscure '60s 45's dealer seemed to offer a M- X-Treems 45 for $5-10. I have seen a few VG condition copies over the years but I never bothered to play them to see if the mix was inferior.​

 

[Vinyldigger]

I bought the X-Treems 45 together with the Blue Banana 45 (with p/c) from the same guy you're talking about here and I used both for my "A Journey to Tyme Vol. 1-5) comps in the early/mid 80's