How Unknown Can You Go?

ohiogarage said:
Here are my other 4 entries. Some of the forum guys may have already heard some (MTM, Boss, Buckeye)

DivShare File - Ohiogarage5.mp3
DivShare File - Ohiogarage3.mp3
DivShare File - Ohiogarage7.mp3
DivShare File - Ohiogarage6.mp3
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(see earlier post for rating definitions)
2 (probably more r & r / frat than garage - would have given it 3 if the music had been louder than the noise)
0 (4 -4 for foreground hiss and skip)
4 (5 -1 for noise)
3 (4-1 for skip and distortion)
 
Re: Chas_Kit's entries:

#1 is the Pageboys (Ruff). But it's a version (unfortunately inferior) that I have never heard before. 5 and quite interesting. Is it later, Chris?
#2 - 3 (sample too short for a higher rating, which I doubt it would deserve anyway). I like the chimin' guitar, but that's about it.
#3 - 5. Has a Beatle-ish sound and structure, which I like.
 
bosshoss said:
Re: Chas_Kit's entries:

#1 is the Pageboys (Ruff). But it's a version (unfortunately inferior) that I have never heard before. 5 and quite interesting. Is it later, Chris?
#2 - 3 (sample too short for a higher rating, which I doubt it would deserve anyway). I like the chimin' guitar, but that's about it.
#3 - 5. Has a Beatle-ish sound and structure, which I like.
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#1 is earlier, under a different band name. It doesn't have the fuzz guitar but in other respects I don't think this is inferior.
#2 - sorry it's a short sample, but I received this from Patrick L. about a year ago and a longer version may never show up. Listen again before you give it a 1 please!
 
Also in regards to cutting ratings for sound quality - consider we're judging the performance, not the transfer, and that in an ideal world we could deliver the acetate or tape to someone for a professional job. People are posting unheard, unreleased music from all kinds of sources, including home tapes and transfers, so give it some slack.
 
chas_kit said:
Also in regards to cutting ratings for sound quality - consider we're judging the performance, not the transfer, and that in an ideal world we could deliver the acetate or tape to someone for a professional job. People are posting unheard, unreleased music from all kinds of sources, including home tapes and transfers, so give it some slack.
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I agree.
 
Maybe this should have been two contests - one would be stump the chumps featuring only released songs, where you try to pick something so obscure that very few G45 members could guess it, but it is possible.

The other would be what this has become for the most part, people putting up unreleased songs that we know have not likely been heard by anyone outside the band, and thus almost impossible to ID.
 
Yes, I expected more people to try to "stump the chumps". There are so many LP tracks and compilation fillers that no-one would remember. But maybe that would be better kept as a separate competition.
 
chas_kit said:
Also in regards to cutting ratings for sound quality - consider we're judging the performance, not the transfer, and that in an ideal world we could deliver the acetate or tape to someone for a professional job. People are posting unheard, unreleased music from all kinds of sources, including home tapes and transfers, so give it some slack.
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That's quite a philosophical question. I guess I'm judging the music from a practical rather than a theoretical perspective. Are we supposed to judge the band through the looking glass of the recording at hand, or are we judging the end product? From my perspective, when deciding what to include in my listening compilations, the emotional impact is paramount, and that is inevitably a function of the song, the sound engineering, and the transfer quality. I've heard certain songs played on a poorly engineered compilation, and been able to compare those songs played from the original wax on an outstanding hi-fi system, and the difference can literally make for a disparity of four stars. Maybe it comes down to why people listen to music - is it for purely subjective, emotional reasons; or is it to appreciate the musical qualities of the band? One thing I have noticed is that there is a difference between the way musicians and non-musicians listen to music: musicians are far more analytical in their appraisal, and non-musicians see the song more as a synthetic whole. (This is more of a spectrum than a black and white dichotomy.) Anyways, I belong to the latter camp; maybe that goes some way toward explaining why sound quality is more important to me than to certain others on this forum.

See further elaboration below.
 
MopTopMike said:
Kinda defeats the intent of the contest - deducting points with regard to the sound quality?
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This wasn't specified. See my response to Chas_kit. I suppose you could discount all my scores if you think it would skew the results too much - but it certainly would not skew it as much as people who score some songs, but not EVERY song in the competition.

I had a monster garage killer I could have used as part of my entries, but chose not to simply because the sound quality was so bad.

I should add that it can go the other way: a sound that is too clean can devalue a song to my ears. I often prefer the vinyl transfer to the clean master tape sound when both are available. Even introduced distortion from the secondary transfer process can make an otherwise clean, pop sounding song more garagey and nostalgic to my ears. Therefore, I think you've underestimated the complexity of the true situation, and jumped to a conclusion without considering the full spectrum of my scoring criteria.
 
Only 7 days to go...but still time to enter!

I'm going to update the Tracklist/Scoring thread in the next 24 hours. That will make it easier to see all of the songs, file links, scores and IDs.

Once that is done, I will post a list of any tracks which have received less than 8 scores. At that stage I will be asking for everyone to have a look at the tracks they have not scored for some reason. We'll need to get at least 8 or maybe even 10 scores for every track, to make sure that no single score has too much weight in the overall picture.

Also a note on (my) scoring. A zero score (from me) does not mean I think a track is musically worthless. It means I don't think it would have been included in Teenbeat Mayhem if it had been released as a 45.
 
I listened to The Pageboys a few more times. I definitely under-rated it, because I was really missing the fuzz on first hearing. It's great without the fuzz and deserves a 6 or 7. So, I've upgraded my vote to 6.5
 
As of this moment, I count 77 completely unknown tracks which have been put up by G45Central members. That's 3 x 25 track CDs. And the overall standard is pretty solid.

Let's make it 100!

:sunny:
 
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