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My comment was far from Dutch "bashing", AZ54. Being born Dutch; being proud of one's language; and the relative suitability of languages for melody, at least from an English speaker's point of view, are all disparate issues. Not sure why you're trying to link them together, or accusing me of an exaggerated misfeasance beyond expressing an innocent opinion on the melodiousness of a certain Germanic language, other than English. Obviously everyone is inured to the language they grow up with, and therefore not the best judge of that language. For example, I wouldn't be the best judge of how English sounds, despite the fact that I am very fond of the language.

I prefer the German version of 'Hab kein lust', btw.
 
My comment was far from Dutch "bashing", AZ54. Being born Dutch; being proud of one's language; and the relative suitability of languages for melody, at least from an English speaker's point of view, are all disparate issues. Not sure why you're trying to link them together, or accusing me of an exaggerated misfeasance beyond expressing an innocent opinion on the melodiousness of a certain Germanic language, other than English. Obviously everyone is inured to the language they grow up with, and therefore not the best judge of that language. For example, I wouldn't be the best judge of how English sounds, despite the fact that I am very fond of the language.

I prefer the German version of 'Hab kein lust', btw.

Sorry, Daniel, I didn't mean to accuse you of anything. Maybe Dutch pride (and English being not my first language) did blur the message.

Listening to for instance Finnish covers of wellknown (and mostly English) songs I get maybe the same feeling you get when you hear a song in Dutch. Maybe it's the fact that some languages do not mix so well with that kind of (Anglo-Saxon-)melody. Real Finnish songs have their own kind of melody, I think. And maybe "relative suitability of languages for melody" has something to do with the language being "new" for the listener. Regretfully I can't find a Finnish cover of the song. Just listened to the German version - sounds nice (German and Dutch are not so different), but I prefer Ik Heb Geen Zin Om Op Te Staan.

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Sorry, Daniel, I didn't mean to accuse you of anything. Maybe Dutch pride (and English being not my first language) did blur the message.

Listening to for instance Finnish covers of wellknown (and mostly English) songs I get maybe the same feeling you get when you hear a song in Dutch. Maybe it's the fact that some languages do not mix so well with that kind of (Anglo-Saxon-)melody. Real Finnish songs have their own kind of melody, I think. And maybe "relative suitability of languages for melody" has something to do with the language being "new" for the listener. Regretfully I can't find a Finnish cover of the song. Just listened to the German version - sounds nice (German and Dutch are not so different), but I prefer Ik Heb Geen Zin Om Op Te Staan.

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No hard Feelings, Ad. I think you hit the nail on the head: the music needs to be suited to the language, or rather, the music evolves from the language. You could go a step further and say that the music is a product of the culture. I guess both are true. Then there's the further complication of the listener's own tongue acting as a perception filter. This is particularly obvious when you listen to Chinese, Thai, or Vietnamese music; all these being tone languages, as opposed to Indo-european languages which are intonation languages. I wonder what that theory says about Arabic, though, considering the music I hear wafting from Mosques...

I'm always jealous, btw, of how well most Western Europeans - particularly the non English, Germanic tribes - speak English (such as you do) and a plethora of other foreign languages besides. I try to excuse my linguistic retardation by the fact that Australia is so geographically isolated, hoping that's the only reason. As a further aside, Holland is my second favourite European country for garage (but only for their English sung songs :lol:). There's no doubt the Dutch possess a musical genius.
 
I won't say anything over the top, like "best group, best singers, best musicians of all time"...even though I am probably thinking it. Naturally I have mixed feelings about the Beatles, but damn, they were awesome at their best (first 2 songs, then downhill from there unfortunately).
 
No hard Feelings, Ad. I think you hit the nail on the head: the music needs to be suited to the language, or rather, the music evolves from the language. You could go a step further and say that the music is a product of the culture. I guess both are true. Then there's the further complication of the listener's own tongue acting as a perception filter. This is particularly obvious when you listen to Chinese, Thai, or Vietnamese music; all these being tone languages, as opposed to Indo-european languages which are intonation languages. I wonder what that theory says about Arabic, though, considering the music I hear wafting from Mosques...

I'm always jealous, btw, of how well most Western Europeans - particularly the non English, Germanic tribes - speak English (such as you do) and a plethora of other foreign languages besides. I try to excuse my linguistic retardation by the fact that Australia is so geographically isolated, hoping that's the only reason. As a further aside, Holland is my second favourite European country for garage (but only for their English sung songs :lol:). There's no doubt the Dutch possess a musical genius.

The Dutch are traditionally merchants and if you want someones money you have to speak there language. It's also a very small country - we need our neigbours. We use to learn English, German and French in school - nowadays it's mostly just English - and on our tv-stations there are a lot of English programs (with subtitles) - so we get used to that language.

What's your favourite country? Garage-wise?
 
What's your favourite country? Garage-wise?

If we're talking Europe, then it's Italy. If we're talking world-wide favourites though, I don't think in terms of countries. 1st favourite is North America*, and that's mainly because of quality x output. Only because of sparseness of output, does Australia-NZ come second. Italy comes 3rd and Holland 4th.

I exclude French-Canadian from North America, which I lump together with "Francophonie".
 
Daniel aren't you confused about quantity x output? No doubt NA is number 1 for sixties garage, however deduct a 1000 versions of Louie Louie versions in disguise. I'd rate NA1, Australia2, Canada3 and as far as Europe goes Holland4. Italian bands are great however mostly sung in Italian which to me is a bit of a setback. ;)

And yet our rankings are virtually identical! (NA = USA+Canada)
 
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I stumbled across this today, compared to the later release (that is depicted) this is some really cool fuzz punk. Does anyone know more about this acetate?