Al's Untouchables / the Orphans on Herbst

chas_kit

chas_kit

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Article about Al's Untouchables up on the site now:

http://www.garagehangover.com/?q=Untouchables

A few questions:

1. Can anyone send me scans or transfers of the first single, as Al & the Untouchables, also on Hunt Records? "Church Key" / "Danny Boy", and a completely different lineup than "Come On Baby"

2. Also does anyone have the old article on the band from Lost & Found #1 (I think)? Can you scan it or photocopy it for me? I'd like to know more and that issue is just impossible to track down.

3. The Orphans on Herbst - "Without You" - great track, tons of atmosphere. Seems to be damn rare, right? But it was on 45 as you can see. Anyone have this? How's the flip?
 
Very cool, Chris. Did you by chance ask about the ABC Records recordings with Brownstone and Konikoff? I'm interested in learning the band name as well.

I also have that Lost & Found article if you still need it.

Thanks...
 
"Liberty, however, wanted The Untouchables to clean up their image and cut their hair, to which the band refused, ripped up the contract and walked out the door."
:lol:
That's what I'd call living up to one's name.
 
chas_kit said:
Article about Al's Untouchables up on the site now:

http://www.garagehangover.com/?q=Untouchables

A few questions:

1. Can anyone send me scans or transfers of the first single, as Al & the Untouchables, also on Hunt Records? "Church Key" / "Danny Boy", and a completely different lineup than "Come On Baby"

2. Also does anyone have the old article on the band from Lost & Found #1 (I think)? Can you scan it or photocopy it for me? I'd like to know more and that issue is just impossible to track down.

3. The Orphans on Herbst - "Without You" - great track, tons of atmosphere. Seems to be damn rare, right? But it was on 45 as you can see. Anyone have this? How's the flip?
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chas_kit said:
Article about Al's Untouchables up on the site now:

http://www.garagehangover.com/?q=Untouchables

A few questions:

1. Can anyone send me scans or transfers of the first single, as Al & the Untouchables, also on Hunt Records? "Church Key" / "Danny Boy", and a completely different lineup than "Come On Baby"

2. Also does anyone have the old article on the band from Lost & Found #1 (I think)? Can you scan it or photocopy it for me? I'd like to know more and that issue is just impossible to track down.

3. The Orphans on Herbst - "Without You" - great track, tons of atmosphere. Seems to be damn rare, right? But it was on 45 as you can see. Anyone have this? How's the flip?
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"Hey Gyp" was so bad that's why I haven't even transferred it to my computer or a CD. I can't bear to listen to myself sing it and the production was even worse than Without You. I have 2 copies and my grandson and daughter have a copy and Dick Douglas, who played guitar may have a copy. Otherwise there are none. Larry Herbst who claimed that was production he did on that single was horrible and he had a few thousand copies once, but when we wouldn't let him release it, I think he dumped them all. He was just a guy with a rich mother who paid for the session and left the music business after I fired him, I believe.I think Norm Goodman, the listed engineer, was really the janitor there, as he barley knew how to run the board. During the session the management group that had the Knickerbockers wanted to take us and sign us if we'd cut our hair and dress more like The Knickerbockers. We refused. He even pulled out a huge wad of cash and waved around at us. I'm sure they were connected with organized crime, as they more or less threatened us. The good old days. Without You is definitely one of the rarest 45's from the 60's, as only a few copies got out into the public. Tom Hankins
 
platehead1 said:
"Hey Gyp" was so bad that's why I haven't even transferred it to my computer or a CD. I can't bear to listen to myself sing it and the production was even worse than Without You. I have 2 copies and my grandson and daughter have a copy and Dick Douglas, who played guitar may have a copy. Otherwise there are none. Larry Herbst who claimed that was production he did on that single was horrible and he had a few thousand copies once, but when we wouldn't let him release it, I think he dumped them all. He was just a guy with a rich mother who paid for the session and left the music business after I fired him, I believe.I think Norm Goodman, the listed engineer, was really the janitor there, as he barley knew how to run the board. During the session the management group that had the Knickerbockers wanted to take us and sign us if we'd cut our hair and dress more like The Knickerbockers. We refused. He even pulled out a huge wad of cash and waved around at us. I'm sure they were connected with organized crime, as they more or less threatened us. The good old days. Without You is definitely one of the rarest 45's from the 60's, as only a few copies got out into the public. Tom Hankins
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Thanks, Tom. What about the ABC Records recordings with Brownstone and Konikoff? I'm interested in learning the band name. Do those recordings exist?
 
What on earth did Dick Douglas swallow before playing those hardcore leads on "Come On Baby"???
In any case, this is an awesome record. Too sad that not more recordings of this cool band exist. They obviously had something going...
 
I liked The Knickerbockers a lot, but we were Hippie-looking, because we WERE Hippies and we had called ourselves "grungy" for years and we told them The Knickerbockers were already washed-up as their second single tanked, more or less. That' s why they got so mad at us.
There were always managers trying to change band's images. They thought the long-haired rock would die out and proved right there how incompetant they were as I'm hearing new bands today on Satellite Radio that sound just like the 60's groups, and I love it. I always considered Liberty a second rate label anyway ever since I was a kid and started collecting when I was 8. We had the same exact argument with Liberty Records a year or so earlier. They were one of the first "major" labels to go, I believe. The entire music business was and is filled with morons. I've seen them ruin more than one good band or vocalist. I do have a friend over at Interscope Records named Chuck Reid who is currently recording with Trent Reznor and he knows what he's doing.
The ABC band was named Brownstone. If they pressed any albums, I never saw one or knew about it. Marshall Leib even refused to make me a copy from the masters as he remained mad at me and Douglas because we didn't have an immediate replacement for Aaron and he acted like we were responsible for his death, so I've never even heard the LP outside of hearing it in the studio when it was mastered. Sandy was in demand everyplace, so he took another gig since he could make good money doing sessions, which was his favorite thing. I always felt that we were extremely lucky to get to even play and especially record with him.

Dick was really hungover when he played those solos. We were all hung over to the point of sickness when we recorded those songs. We'd drunk a whole lot of sloe gin the night before. I don't know why we chose that, but I still can't stand the even smell it after that night. I guess Dick was driven by a sloe gin hangover, which isn't a bad name for a blues song.
 
There are 60's sounding groups played on the radio these days? Do I miss something? Any names?
So I should try some sloe gin next time before recording? I thought it must have been some sort of amphetamine...
By the way I dig your way of putting things, Tom. Very straightforward. I also get the impression of you guys being a bunch of youngsters with lots of attitude. I just like that. There's the music, yes. But I like a certain attitude, too. Not precisely the sex, drugs & rock'n'roll thing, but doing your OWN thing.
 
axel said:
There are 60's sounding groups played on the radio these days? Do I miss something? Any names?
So I should try some sloe gin next time before recording? I thought it must have been some sort of amphetamine...
By the way I dig your way of putting things, Tom. Very straightforward. I also get the impression of you guys being a bunch of youngsters with lots of attitude. I just like that. There's the music, yes. But I like a certain attitude, too. Not precisely the sex, drugs & rock'n'roll thing, but doing your OWN thing.
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Axel-I listen to Little Steven's Underground Garage channel on Sirius/XM
greenfuzz said:
Very cool, Chris. Did you by chance ask about the ABC Records recordings with Brownstone and Konikoff? I'm interested in learning the band name as well.

I also have that Lost & Found article if you still need it.

Thanks...
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satellite radio. I heard the Len Price 3 on there do "Pictures" and swore it was an early recording of The Who that I'd somehow missed. I like Sails too. There are really so many that I can't even remember all their names. I suppose college stations are playing some of this too, but I stick to Sirius. They are also great at giving history of the songs and play some old 45s that I've never heard before.
Yes, we did have an attitude. We were copying the British blues and rock groups lead.
 
greenfuzz said:
Very cool, Chris. Did you by chance ask about the ABC Records recordings with Brownstone and Konikoff? I'm interested in learning the band name as well.

I also have that Lost & Found article if you still need it.

Thanks...
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I lost my copy of Lost & Found too. The article is filled with inaccuracies, but I'd like to get a copy of it again.
 
I'm going to put up one copy of the original pressing of "Come On Baby" for auction on E Bay soon. Also, I'll be putting up one copy of "Without You" and "Hey Gyp" on Herbst for auction on E Bay. This is even rarer that "Come On Baby" and the only way anyone will ever hear "Hey Gyp". lol. I've got other obscure 45s from that era that I'll be putting up for auction too, including the original Mono version LP of Meet The Beatles from the original pressing, which doesn't fit in with the garage theme very well, but I saw one sell at an auction yesterday for more than $2,000. Tons of rare albums and lots of 45s. Does anyone know of a better site than E Bay to put these up for sale, as politically I dislike E Bay and Paypal's founder intensely and hate doing business with them, but I'm liquidating all of my vinyl, as I'm moving and am getting too old to keep hauling these LPs and 45s around as I've done for forty some years.
 
MopTopMike said:
Not really true about sleepers if a soundclip is provided.
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I'm speaking of a different kind of sleeper. What I mean is a record that people will pay a certain amount for, but only when they're searching for that specific item - which may not be every week or month. There are plenty of records that can fetch $30 or $40 or more on occasion, but won't sell for $9.99 on a weekly auction, just because it's too specialized an item.

With ebay now offering 50 free listings a month, it costs nothing to list something at a high starting price and wait and relist until it sells. With patience it may fetch 3 or 4 times as much as a one-week auction starting at $9.99.

Of course it won't ever sell if the seller is unrealistic about the value, and since many sellers are like that, ebay is now stuffed with records that aren't selling and sit up there forever.
 
chas_kit said:
With ebay now offering 50 free listings a month, it costs nothing to list something at a high starting price and wait and relist until it sells. With patience it may fetch 3 or 4 times as much as a one-week auction starting at $9.99.
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Sounds good, but they are now charging a 9% final value fee on the entire amount. Reminds me of a great bumper sticker I saw recently. If you think health care is expensive now...Wait til it's free!!! In other words.........nothin's free!!!:%:
 
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