Surprise, surprise - idle chatter about TBM

The re (remake) was noted whenever space allowed, to show the version the group generally copies from, and if room allowed, the true original.
Sorry bout that Brogues re: Kinks thing, just cross it out. Obviously a missed editing gaff.
The 5 Gentlemen was an oversight, thanks for pointing this out - keep them coming...
 
I agree, Mike, I would have opted to include more borderline entries, but, as noted, I only had 400 pages to work with. If more pages were needed, I'd have to print 416; even more it would have to up to 432. Stopping page counts which are not divisible by a 16 or 32 count (offset printing prints pages in signatures, 16 pages to an entire sheet, not one by one by individual pages) rapidly increases cost. This non divisible by 16 or 32 page count causes the manufacturing cost to really skyrocket per copy. Printing 400 pages by offset printing is one price, 401-415 pages is much more costly. More than 400 pages would have required a different paper stock for my book project, since I wanted a strong, durable hardcover. The paper would have needed to be of less weight - more flimsy paper, which I did not want. I used a 65# (weight) grade paper, with a slightly more ink receptive grade for the Top 1000 scans and pic sleeves.
 
TBM is a fine effort that made me actually get all nostalgic about how it felt "waiting around the mail box" for the latest issue of 'Who Put The Bomp' to arrive back in 1974 or 1975. Thanks for the memories. And I totally concur with your #1 pick in the top 1000 rankings. Nothing else would do.
 
The re (remake) was noted whenever space allowed, to show the version the group generally copies from, and if room allowed, the true original.
Sorry bout that Brogues re: Kinks thing, just cross it out. Obviously a missed editing gaff.
The 5 Gentlemen was an oversight, thanks for pointing this out - keep them coming...

Actually "But Now I Find" by The Brogues is a rip of The Kinks' "Revenge" riff (as are "Tripmaker" by The Seeds and "She Just Satisfies" by Jimmy Page). Maybe that was what you originally meant?
 
The re (remake) was noted whenever space allowed, to show the version the group generally copies from, and if room allowed, the true original - keep them coming...

The Yo Yo's - Gotta Find A New Love, re: Willie & the Hand Jives
 
As I read through the book, either the discography or essays, I find myself jumping over to Youtube as I'm prompted to listen to long time favourites, or to hear something I'm not familiar with. These are two I've dug this evening after reading the page 40 to 43 exposition of the 1970s and '80s garage revival - a time I remember well.


 
Like some other folks I was surprised to find my tastes so far away from the Consensus with regard to the Top 1000 , I'd always considered myself something of a Purist . But that aside the book is a stunning achievement which I am so happy to own and I'll be flipping the pages everyday for a long time to come , thank you Mike .
 
I've notice a number of singles that I would think should be included, by your criteria. One of the most surprising omissions is the Blendells - Get Your Baby / Dance With Me (Reprise 0340). Sure it's East Side Sound, but so are the Ambertones. And yes the flip has horns, but I'd think at least Get Your Baby deserves a place.

Another is Shane - Don't Turn Me Off / That Girl of Mine (Brent 7047) The b-side may be too pop, but 'Don't Turn Me Off'?

Talking about pop, I was happy to see the Left Banke's 'Lazy Day' included in the honorable mentions.
 
2 that I think should've been included are Kookie "Ooby Dooby/You Took Her Home" and Willie & the Travelaires "The Fiery Stomp/I Had a Girl", both on Dean Carter's label, Milky Way. I only know the Asides from the great Ace CD, but even if the flips stink, they're neat garage tunes.
 
Is the "re"(remake) information to be viewed as bonus only? Otherwise there are plenty of places where it's missing and could be added. If it is just bonus info, I suspect this will still be a recurring theme in the TBM feedback -- everybody wants to help out and love to find something that is "missing". After the 115th e-mail pointing out that XYZ is a Manfred Mann B-side cover, your patience may be running out...
 
After living with TBM for a couple of weeks now , I tried to put my thoughts rg the book in some kind of order:

What is TBM?
At the core: a reference work for what most of us call garage bands who released 45s. The rest one could call the icing on the cake, but the cake is the A – Z.

Who is TBM for?
The collector, and (pretty much) only the collector. (Libraries with budgets to spent on pop-culture reference tomes are getting rare, I hear.) Would somebody with a shelf of garage comps or a pile of Sundazed 45s spend $100 on a book like this? Most likely not.

What should TBM be then?
The best cake (A-Z) one could possibly do with the incrediences available. Then if the chef and his helpers have energy, cash and time left, go for the icing.

Here’s where the criticism comes in: I am utterly convinced that MTM had all incrediences at hand to do a better book. If pagespace is so precious, why would you spend it on anything else than the A-Z? Why not cut away all the little nice-to-have-articles on Greg Shaw and what bands came from the authors hometurf and how to distinguish a Garage Greats bootleg and use that to expand the main section by writing a little bit more than one or two lines of arid style-landmarks? You did all these band interviews, MTM. You know all about rarity and quantity finds, recording disasters and missed successes. Why not squeeze a little bit of text out of the wealth of information you have accumulated over the years? A couple of lines that add some color to this bare land of „approved facts“. Nobody would write in to note that there’s some bands without text. And nobody would complain either had there been a band-card inserted here and there, a promo shot (even if has turned up somewhere before) or a gig poster. Stuff I am sure you have at home or at least access to.

CAUTION - blasphemy ahead: I believe the amount of time and energy sunk into the titanic rating process stands in no correlation whatsoever to its use. The cabinet, regardless of their braveness and loyalty, is not and quite possibly could not have been representative to the vast scope of tases that are to be found in garageland. Hence everybody has something to complain. It seems like most people buying this book have there own stable tastes and dont need a consensus guidance to learn if the Mods is better than the Modds or the Knights Bridge better than the Knights Bridge Quitet.

Clarification: I deeply respect and appreciate the unfathomable amount of work that went into this book and I would not want to be without it. I’m just a bit sad that a lot of work and time was spent on secondary features while the main feature was kept from becoming what it could have been.
 
Thank you for the analysis, Greg.

However, I must once again point out:

TBM was not designed to be just for "garage" record collectors who want original pressings. This is readily apparent if you checked out the website showcasing the book.
TBM is meant to thee "field" guide for ANYONE who wants to learn about the music, as I note, attempting to answer the who, what where, when and why. An overall guide type book relating to knowledge levels of everyone from the neophyte to the expert like TBM has been a reference must for a LONG time. You might be surprised to learn that many collectors who spend time at G45 have not bought the book as yet. I'll bet I've only sold about 30 books to G45 forum members.
Sales have been good for the one month it has been out, and yes, many people who are not collectors - those who buy comps, as well as people who are curious to learn that there was a lot going on at the regional and local music levels have bought the book. Interest from archival organizations and libraries have only started to come forth.

Readers here should understand that no matter what someone manages to accomplish, there will be a segment of the buying audience who will find the item lacking, or not what they desire to see. I did not have the capability to produce the book of your dreams. It would still be in working mode if all compiled was an A to Z discography. I know some folks want a Fuzz Acid & Flowers type book, but no way am I ever going to be part and parcel of a book that must be revised and repacked for "gotta buy a new edition again?" sales in twelve or more editions.

If it only could be a perfect, sunshine-y world...I could have instantaneous access to every known recording, a willing sect of contributors (not every group desired to have their history accounted for and photograph included) a wealthy benefactor who could write a blank check for the travel, expenses, research and print run. But we all have to face reality tempered with realistic expectations, and set aside lofty dreams.
 
Who is TBM for?
The collector, and (pretty much) only the collector. (Libraries with budgets to spent on pop-culture reference tomes are getting rare, I hear.) Would somebody with a shelf of garage comps or a pile of Sundazed 45s spend $100 on a book like this? Most likely not.

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Totally wrong. I haven't much original 45s, and I got 90% of the comps released since Nuggets and yet I paid my hundred bucks and enjoyed the book very much.
 
I think you misunderstood GregK's point, Laurent. There are a lot of hardcore garage fans who have only or mostly compilations, and they will buy the book. The question is: will the casual garage fan buy TBM, the way the casual psych fans have bought Fuzz Acid & Flowers? On that point I agree with GregK -- the cover price is simply too intimidating.

I'm flipping back and forth in the TBM trying to wrap my head around it all. As for the voting cabinet, I enjoy the idea and I believe in time these votes will take on a certain status, particularly among younger garage fanatics who didn't grow up learning that BFTG 45s were the apex of everything. These ratings are simply a new, and rather credible way, of slicing the massive garage 45 cake. I scratch my head here and there but am unable to get really riled up over anything.

Regarding the band stories, or lack of them, it may seem curious that the groups that didn't make it (the honorable mention) get capsule bios, while the groups did make it get nothing except "mid Stones inf workout w/ brks" :)