Surprise, surprise - idle chatter about TBM

That's on the 34:40 LP. Great album! Sounds like brass on the sharp jabs at the intro to the verse but it's not that noticed through the rest of the song.

Yeah, I noticed those but that could just as well be the organ (or whatever it is) heard elsewhere on the song. Not that it matters much but I have never associated that song with brass of any kind.

Did not know it was on the album, do you know if it is the same take?
 
Yes, it's the same version as the album. You should pick it up! It's very solid. I'll have a look at the tracks and see if any of the other good ones are LP only.
 
Well, I've been having a great time the last couple of months listening to hundreds of garage songs and then comparing the Cabinet's score to my own rating for the song. First, let me say that there were plenty of songs that the Cabinet and I agreed on--giving the same ratings for a song. And there were lots of the Cabinet gives it a 6, I give it a 5 or the Cabinet gives the song an 7, I give it a 8--so a great number of songs that were very close by 1 or 2 points. I did this to see if there was any great divide in the ratings in any area at all. In the end I came up with one great difference with my ratings and the Cabinet ratings--and that was in the ballad area--and it was quite a big difference. Apparently, I appreciate the garage ballad a little more than the Cabinet does--lol. Here are some examples:

State Of Mind--Cabinet=4 Me=10
The Trolls--How Do You Expect Me To Trust You--Cabinet=4 Me=10
The Pedestrians--Think Twice--Cabinet=3 Me=6
The Invaders--I Was A Fool--Cabinet=4 Me=7
The Invaders--Cryin' All Night Long--Cabinet=4 Me=7
Five Of A Kind--I Don't Want To Find Another Girl--Cabinet=4 Me=8
Bridge--I Don't Think I'll Call You--Cabinet=4 Me=7
The Blue Dells--Trust Me--Cabinet=4 Me=7
The Herd--Sun Has Gone--Cabinet=2 Me=7
The Paradox--With Someone To Love--Cabinet=4 Me=7
The Drongos--If You Want To Know--Cabinet=4 Me=7
Midnight Shift--Just Another Day--Cabinet=4 Me=8
New Colony Six--Hello Lonely--Cabinet=2 Me=6
The Oncomers--You Let Me Down--Cabinet=4 Me=7

That shows the idea here and there's many more that I could list. So, that was the great divide I found in the comparison. I could only compare the average of the Cabinet scores to mine and not individual selections by the Cabinet. I believe that Mike said he gave The Trolls "How Do You Expect Me To Trust You" a 10. And I'm sure there were more Cabinet members who possibly gave some other ballads a high score too. (maybe?--lol) But the end result overall was the Cabinet didn't give the garage ballad a very high score on average. Personally, I think that it's extremely difficult to write a ballad that stands out and has something that's very unique sounding about it. For me, the songs I listed above all have that different and unique sounding quality to them--could be great sounding vocals, could be the overall aura to the song, could be an inventive guitar solo, could be anything. So, I just found it fascinating that when combining the Cabinet scores for garage ballads--the old ballad doesn't do so well. Reference above: not one Cabinet score above a 4.
 
In the end I came up with one great difference with my ratings and the Cabinet ratings--and that was in the ballad area--and it was quite a big difference. Apparently, I appreciate the garage ballad a little more than the Cabinet does--lol.

I was on the cabinet, and voted lots of moody ballads pretty high... but in the garage world, the cavemen will always come out on top. I think you'll appreciate my blog post about one of my favorite moody garage 45s:

http://savagelost.com/whenever-youre-ready-by-the-novas-floridas-moodiest-60s-garage-45
 
Jeff did your museum exhibition turn in any undiscovered, rare or personal stories of bands or some cool artifacts ? I used to work in a museum and was often surprised the stuff locals donated sometimes..

I was on the cabinet, and voted lots of moody ballads pretty high... but in the garage world, the cavemen will always come out on top. I think you'll appreciate my blog post about one of my favorite moody garage 45s:

http://savagelost.com/whenever-youre-ready-by-the-novas-floridas-moodiest-60s-garage-45
 
Jeff did your museum exhibition turn in any undiscovered, rare or personal stories of bands or some cool artifacts ? I used to work in a museum and was often surprised the stuff locals donated sometimes..

Ronnie from the Mor-Loks contributed some really cool artifacts, and a few others came up with swag... but most of the exhibit is my stuff.
 
I'm convinced a touring exhibition, much like yours, of garage artifacts would unearth some new gems on its travels. It would need an experienced ear with Museum/Art installation experience to travel along... ah hum.. cough ..me....

Wish I lived nearer to it.
 
Your right Jeff, I did appreciate your blog post on The Novas song. I could have included that one on my list too as I gave it an 8--an ultra cool moody ballad in every way. I see that I forgot to put the name of the song by the State Of Mind above--and that song is Goin' Away. What "Whenever You're Ready" does for you, "Goin' Away" and The Trolls "How Do You Expect Me To Trust You" do the same thing for me. I never get tired of hearing those songs and try to play them on a daily basis. But you are correct--by in large the great moody ballads are overlooked in favor of the loud in your face rockers--and I love those too but the moody ballad deserves much more attention. And "Whenever You're Ready" only got a 5--wow! Well, at least that was a better rating than my favorite moody ballads got--lol.
 
From memory, and a quick check, I awarded a 10 rating to these ballads:

The Trolls "How Do You Expect Me"
The Malemen "She Means The World To Me"
The Run-A-Rounds "I Can't Take You Back"

A 9 to
The Lagnafs - "Your Money Couldn't Buy Me"

and an 8 to :
The Pictorian Skiffuls "You've Done Me Wrong
The Shyres "My Girl"

My personal votes were substantially higher for these than the next highest voted rating.
 
The Trolls "How Do You Expect Me"
The Malemen "She Means The World To Me"
The Run-A-Rounds "I Can't Take You Back"

A 9 to
The Lagnafs - "Your Money Couldn't Buy Me"

and an 8 to :
The Pictorian Skiffuls "You've Done Me Wrong
The Shyres "My Girl"

The Run-Arounds is the only one on comp. More cool material for future comps...
 
I found an error in the Plastic Blues Band listing. TBM states that the flipside to Gone (Busy-B 8) is Dead Seed, but the correct title is Country Food.
Dead Seed is the flipside to You're Gonna Get Burned (Busy-B 13).
 
Was on a non-garage related note trying to confirm the location and/or find further info about singer Willie Wade on NITE LIFE so went and looked for The Jades on NITE LIFE in TBM for clues and was a bit surprised that their 45 wasn't included (I'm thinking of the "I'm Where It's At" side, in a similar style to some of the material by Thee Midniters, US Four, Human Beinz etc.) According to a Billboard article from 1966 the label was located in Los Angeles. All of the groups on the label seems to come from around California (Jades, Dept. Of Sanitation, Night People and, supposedly also, California Dreams). Does anybody on here know anything about Willie Wade?
 
I just got the TBM book. What an awesome piece of research! My congrats to Mike and others that made this labor of love a reality. Greg Shaw I'm sure is smiling down from his Astral Plane. I haven't gone through everything yet obviously and hate to rant on my first post here but being have collected 60's sounds (US and worldwide) for 40+ years I have major issues with the grading system. I read the text on Pg. 49 trying to get the specifics on how it was done but it leaves more questions than answers. After going through the list of 10 star discs I come to the conclusion that snotty, wild, wailing, crude, attitude laden or over the edge punkers were given far more precedence than other teenbeat genres. Psych, poppy and commercial styles are generally given the backseat and rarely given higher than a 7. I totally disagree with the premise than snotnose arrogant and wigged out punk is the best. It is but one of the genres that was created after the Big Bang in Feb 64 (Beatles on Ed Sullivan as the book nails it dead on). The other genres such as folkrock/jangle, experimental pop (ala Eight Miles High), freakbeat, early psych as well as commerical pop and ballads all produced 'perfect' records. In my opinion the book should have given a 10 to any teenbeat style that produced a 'perfect' record. I define a 'perfect' record as one that simply cannot be improved upon either in performance, composition, recording or arrangement. And a 'perfect' record should make your jaw drop every time you hear it. A perfect record can possess 'flaws' such as crude recording or sloppy musicianhip provided those flaws give it a unique and infectious charm that produces an eargasm. An example: The Stonemen's 'No More'.
So my quest from this point on is to discover all the records in the book that are stone cold killers worthy of a 10 but were criminally undergraded as not being punky enough. I see other posters have responded to this already and fortunately Mike provided key adjectives such as jangle, shimmering etc that I can start with. I should point out that I am biased towards moody, hook-laden pop and jangle sounds.
I would appreciate hearing from other folks as to what their personal 10's are. So let me sign off for starters with a few discs I would rate as 10 that the book rated at least 2 points lower:
AVENGERS - Batarang
AVENGERS - I Told You So
LOST -Violet Gown (2nd version)
LOST - No Reason Why
13th FLOOR ELEVATORS - She Lives
ROKS - Transparent Day
DOVERS - Third Eye
MYSTIC TIDE - Running Through The Night
ROGUES - You'd Better Look Now
GLAS MENAGERIE - Natasha
SYNDICATE - She Haunts You
SCORPIO TUBE - Yellow Listen
ELECTRAS - Soul Searchin
PLEASURE SEEKERS - Never Thought You'd Leave Me
PRIMATES - Don't Press Your Luck