Surprise, surprise - idle chatter about TBM

[Patrick the Lama]

OK... though I bet half the cabinet could pull ratings for that Lost & Found 45 from the top of their head, given how familiar those two tracks are and have been since the '70s. I predict you'll get e-mails from generous TBM readers offering to tape this elusive rarity for you.

Tormentors connection remains unsolved then, except that it's apparently not the same band, thanks for clarifying this. My old AA entry is thankfully neutral and says nothing of it being the same group. The twist to the tale is that "Cause You Don't Love Me" is the best track by some margin on that rather lame LP, IMO anyway.

I should correct myself re the Spikedrivers -- TBM says that they "later recorded as Misty Wizards", which is slightly more accurate. But since the Spikedrivers still existed as a separate group (the 3 remaining members retained legal rights to the band name) when the Misty Wizards cut their one-off 45, a re-phrasing may be warranted.

 

[MopTopMike]

Emanon 102, the Todes "Good Things" is listed in TBM as from Oct of '66.

Emanon 101, Mike Lyman & the Little People is listed as March of '67. Are these dates correct? Is Mike Lyman's "I Need You" an original?

Anything else on Emanon? I know there was also a Rochester label by that name, but I'm interested in the CA Emanon.

I have both 45s, they were pressed at different manufacturers and at different times. Sometimes assigned label numbers run out of order "date-wise". Here's an example: The Voyagers, the Racine Wisconsin group, had two 45s on Ken Adamay's Feature label. Their first 45 is Feature 111, their second is Feature 101. The 2nd 45 was pressed at a different manufacturer, which commenced with a new numbering system, which went 101, 201, etc.
"I Need You" is an original tune.

 

[MopTopMike]

OK... though I bet half the cabinet could pull ratings for that Lost & Found 45 from the top of their head, given how familiar those two tracks are and have been since the '70s. I predict you'll get e-mails from generous TBM readers offering to tape this elusive rarity for you.

I should correct myself re the Spikedrivers -- TBM says that they "later recorded as Misty Wizards", which is slightly more accurate. But since the Spikedrivers still existed as a separate group (the 3 remaining members retained legal rights to the band name) when the Misty Wizards cut their one-off 45, a re-phrasing may be warranted.

That Misty Wizards entry was written prior to those reissues of Spike Drivers material; it is just one of many slight changes I never had time enough to tweak...

The Lost and Found debut 45 tracks are slated for the upcoming voting session, along with other sides listed, and unlisted (lots of those). I have the 45, but, I think I didn't get enough votes back to obtain a result at the time of voting.

 

[bosshoss]

Crazy. What source did Mr. Warren use?

A cassette, provided by Dave Baldwin.

 

[troggy]

I'd like to recommend The Jordan Brothers "It's A Shame" on VIM as being worthy of inclusion in the update. Very British beat influenced (I'd guess it's from '64) with a guitar break.

 

[tom kirby]

Can you let Lee de Parade write the foreword to "Beyond TBM" then? That'd be cool.

ShyC - is there something wrong with the "Forward" I wrote for TBM?

 

[Dave Baldwin]

A cassette, provided by Dave Baldwin.

Mark, this would be that same 1980s David Shutt-produced cassette dub that you
probably still have in your possession.

 

[buckeyebeat]

The cassette in question was probably one made by David Shutt when the 45 was auctioned off. Shutt would sell cassette tapes of the more obscure 45s on auction so prospective bidders could audition the records. I remember the Just Too Much was the first song on the tape. I'm sure I still have the auction list, although buried and not accessable.

 

[Mr.Segment]

ShyC - is there something wrong with the "Forward" I wrote for TBM?

Tom, I would just like to say I thought your introduction to TBm was rather great. A somber and to the point introduction, devoid of malt shop memories.

 

[Dave Baldwin]

The cassette in question was probably one made by David Shutt when the 45 was auctioned off. Shutt would sell cassette tapes of the more obscure 45s on auction so prospective bidders could audition the records. I remember the Just Too Much was the first song on the tape. I'm sure I still have the auction list, although buried and not accessable.

Correct-a-mundo! The copy that DS taped (and sold) was a yellow label stock copy in clean VG cond.
I thought it was just another "good L.A. record" at the time and and passed on it, figuring that quantity
would turn up some day as it had for The Avengers and other similar Sunset Strip goodies. Wrong again.

 

[Lee de Parade]

I don't get it - the story of Just Too Much and their sole recording sounds very strange indeed. Is there any info on them (got my record collection in another city so I can't check BFTG..)?

Boss - I heard some rumors about extreme weather down under. Did it pass you? And to what measures have you gone to save the canonical garage that is in you possession from the inevitable end of the world?
Some feckin dead sea scrolls bonanza gonna blow some aborigine mind 2,000 years from now.

 

[Patrick the Lama]

ShyC - is there something wrong with the "Forward" I wrote for TBM?

Much of the TBM feedback here has been haphazard and geeky so far, so for the record THANKS to Tom K for the great foreword, which helps give some *real* context to the garage phenomena. It did actually happen, it wasn't just a record collector fantasy but something living, hip and fun, and your recollections prove it. Definitely time to open that Hall Of Fame slot for Tom & co now :)

 

[ShyC]

ShyC - is there something wrong with the "Forward" I wrote for TBM?

Oh gee, no, nothing wrong with the foreword at all. It's cool, especially 'cause it's written by someone who was involved and knows what he's talking about. That is really valuable. Nothing wrong with the book as well. Maybe I was misunderstood or I put it wrong or a bit too harsh... I like the foreword and I use the book a lot. I think what I was trying to say that I would have liked the A-Z part to be more "emotional", like the G100? Or, G200 for that matter? A little more info, a little more than just "data" and the ratings (although I agree with 90% of them). That's what I was trying to "complain" about. Didn't want to put it down, no way. Not the book, nor the foreword.

But, since I enjoy Mr. Parade's juvenile posts and comments here quite a lot, and since I hope "Beyond TBM" to give me some of those details I've been hoping for in TBM, I thought he would be a good choice to write it.

 

[Lee de Parade]

Love ya, ShyC!
Yes I am a funny guy, but reading my psychobabblings must be a strain on the eyes and mind. I should not be allowed to write. Anything, anywhere, at any time.

I have to file a complaint: THE CATSANOVAS! How can the cabinet rate THE CATSANOVAS 6? I mean COME ON!
That CATSANOVAS track (I Want To Be Loved) has it all - awesome intro, heavy-as-fuck bass, a singer crooning like a horny cat and with more sincerity and bravado than the deepest soul-wailer you'd ever heard.
Just listen to that spindly guitar go duu-de-lee-duu-de-luu..
I mean - the grandeur of the Chessmen's I Need You There might be easier to recognize, but the cabinet should've cut THE CATSANOVAS some fucking SLACK!

I fear my most cherished style - crude garage - is suffering some hard times in the book and THE CATSANOVAS is the proof.

(That Seeds of Time's incredible She's Been Travlin' Around The World get a 7 calms me down somewhat..)

But again - I just looove the book. You know, I've been sick (in me head) but opening the TBM, reading about my beloved groups and..hey..wait a second..THE CHECKMATES GLORIOUS Thinkin' About You gets a grinchy 6:er too!?! What the fuck were you thinking? It's THE CATSANOVAS debacle all over again!!

 

[Michael W]

A 6 means it's very good.

 

[bosshoss]

A 6 means it's very good.

Agreed. There is not one 6 in the book that I could live without (except for the very few I haven't heard, which obviously I am living without).

 

[Lee de Parade]

I buy that! All the more cool sounds to love and adore!
Thanks Michael!

 

[Miracle Mirror]

I've been reading and going over TBM for the last two weeks or so. It's a terrific book--a staggering amount of research. I thought that the descriptions of the 45's were extremely accurate overall--a really good guide to anybody just getting into 60's garage. Of course, I disagreed with many of the Top 1000 and only agreed with 3 of the Top 20. I learned long ago while taking many music courses in college that everyone hears music differently--the brain processes musical sound differently for everyone. Ever wonder why some people could care less about music? Personally, I feel sorry for them because they're missing one of the great passions in life if not the greatest of all and I've known quite a few people like that unfortunately. Sixties garage or "teenbeat mayhem" of the 60's is certainly my favorite type of music as I'm sure it's true for most on this site. We all love a very unique kind of music. Anyway, I really enjoyed seeing all of the label scans of the Top 1000--very cool. And I thought it was very interesting to see what the cabinet members came up with as far as rating all of the 45's on average. Agree or disagree, it certainly might give me cause to go back and re-listen to some of these songs. I know for sure that I'll refer to TBM quite often from now on. I also got quite nostalgic in reading the book in relation to buying all of the garage comps that started coming out in the late 70's. At that time I used to have a job that would require me to drive to bigger cities and in my down time I would go to all of the cool record stores. I'll never forget finding those first few Pebbles comps--that was a real thrill. I was fortunate enough to be born at the right time putting the 60's as my teenage years and being heavily into rock & roll from about age 10. I've done a 60's garage radio show every summer (June, July & August) for the last 20 years with a friend of mine at a local college. I can't tell you how many college kids have called the radio station and told us that they just loved this stuff--hopefully, we turned more than a few on to this great music. I've got a couple of stories to relate to the board which I'll post very soon. I lived in a town with the population of 140,000-150,000 so the city was big enough to produce local teenbeat combos who released records which I bought at the time they came out and of course, saw them perform at different venues around town. So, I was well aware of 60's garage music even though it wasn't called that at the time--it was just rock & roll and the members that were in groups were just in rock bands--got a story about that too which I'll post. Again, TBM is a wonderful achievement that was long overdue.

 

[Patrick the Lama]

Today's TBM report concerns the shocking omission of Flower Power -- the Mississippi band, that is. "Trivialities" is a killer folkrocker, "Mt Olympus" is deranged teen basement psych, and even "You Make Me Fly" should make it on account of things like "God Is Alive In Argentina", "Wake Up To My Voice" and "Search The Sun" all making it. Five 45s in total. Odd that no one has done a story on this talented band.

Well, we're shocked... and stunned.

On a less stunning level, the TBM Immigrants who lack geographical data is them boys that did the rare LP on Starburst, and the locale in question was Kansas, but the members were all from NJ/NY it seems.

 

[EXPO67]

I agree about Flower Power. I've just this week managed to find a copy of 'Stop! Check It!' so I've now got their full set of 45s....